What value will the present/older ebikes retain with an upcoming better battery/motor tech., much faster recharge times+lighter materials ?

Ebiker01

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The question takes into account the same price point for both the present and future ebike model- 2k.
A model from now or older vs. a 2022 and beyond ebike.

Some ebikes from few years ago have packs of 400wh, a 350 watt motor or higher. But most are heavy, underpowered and with a small battery pack-3-400wh. Few were made with the 500wh pack that now is considered small(not giving enough range).


A few better ones presently are having a 500-600 wh battery regulary , and some , even higher -of 700wh ,720, 750wh(Besv, Bulls, Bh, and others ), and a very few present the 1kw pack( Biktrix, Juiced, Radrover, Stromer, R&M, and maybe a few others less known brands also are in this 1kw category.


Will a 2019 model and prior with a cost of 2k , a 500wh pack , be worthy of only 2-300$ , 3/ 4years down the line when a battery pack size would be average 1kw (assumption given the evolution of tech.) standard or even higher ? And what if that pack also will charge much faster - at 10amps -that’s a big progress.


What if the battery packs /motor also become much smaller and of course as a result , much lighter ?
That plus also better tech., lighter frame(crabon/kevlar), higher torque (TQ-120NM) for a lighter , better motor ( mid drive or rear hub), how much would they affect the depreciation of current and older ebikes ?
I would say at least 50%, maybe even 70-85% !


Say, if in 2022 an ebike that will cost 2k weights 35lb, has 1kw battery, 750watts motor , 10-15min. RECHARGE time plus Gps, anti theft tech., compared. with
a 2019 model that now cost the same but is 60lb, 500watts , and 3-4hours recharge time ?



Worthless , scrap value , worthy only for the metals in the cells ??

Examples of obsolete tech at very low prices abound-
Iphones, iphone 6+ now is 150$ down from 8-900$. A 10 year old Mac is 100$ -150$ from 2grand. And lots of other similar obsolete tech. can be found.

Since an ebike is essentially a tech. product , those price trends should def. apply.


* Not taking in account the Diy ebikes, allthough the price drops will most likely also apply to them.
 
Where do you get the idea that your hypothetical 2022 bike will even exist? The bicycle industry is not the computer industry and you shouldn't make the assumption that just because there has been furious progress in computer technology that e-bikes will be similar. I'd argue that e-bikes are essentially bicycles and bicycles (and the bicycle industry) haven't really changed that rapidly.

I know @Ravi Kempaiah won't necessarily agree with what I'm about to say, but my observation has been that any given battery technology is in a pretty tight box -- you can make tradeoffs between energy-to-weight ratio, cost, lifespan (charge/discharge cycles), and charge time. But you can only rarely move all of those properties (or even more than two of them) at the same time. Given that there has been furious and very public efforts to move all of those curves (mainly in the race for electric vehicles of all kinds) there has been very little credible evidence that I have seen that dramatic advancements are likely to surface in the next five years or so.

Economies of scale will likely reduce battery costs somewhat (in a very optimistic case I could imagine the cost dropping 50 percent over the next few years), but on the other hand if electric cars really take off demand for lithium cells could skyrocket and I'm not at all certain that production could ramp up quickly enough.

Similarly on motors. Given the 20mph/28mph legal limits the benefits of larger, more powerful motors are somewhat limited -- and more powerful motors are likely to be heavier, so I suspect you'd rapidly get into a case of diminishing returns.
 
Bicycles already suffers a tremeandous drop in value even without hi tech components. For instance, I bought a four year old road bike last year for $900 that had sold new for $3,200 and it was in near, mint condition. And that was blue book. I suspect e-bikes will fare the same or worse. The thing with current e-bike technology though is that it's pretty good, sure it's goig to get better but there will still be value in a bike that will reliably get you forty miles down the road without haveing to work up a sweat. Yes their resale value will be poor but look on the bright side, there will be some terrific deals!
 
I think ebikes will do worse than regular bikes for resale because of the complexity of maintenance, especially for brands that don't have local warehouses with customer support departments that stock parts.

I bought my bike from a brand that is known for its customer support, but sure don't plan on selling it used to upgrade for better tech. I like it and will keep liking it, and I also care about my transportation being economical--that means getting the most out of my bike for its lifespan. My battery has 720wh. I plan to ride it as long as I can keep it maintained. (I keep cars a long time, too!) I've already got a great quality ride that is fun and terrific for commuting. If I have to replace my battery at some point, I'll do that--much cheaper to replace a battery than a whole bike. How long can I ride my bike? I don't know, but I plan for it to be a good long time! :)
 
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Say, if in 2022 an ebike that will cost 2k weights 35lb, has 1kw battery, 750watts motor , 10-15min.

Unfortunately, not going to happen.
There is something called Moore's law in electronics that is the # of transistors/ sq inch doubles every 12 to 18 months and this law held up until recently. Now, we have gone to 7nm chips, it is not possible to shrink the transistors anymore.
1kw batteries that can be recharged in 15 mins would be near impossible on a bicycle for at least the next 5-8 years. Such fast charging needs liquid cooling and very complicated BMS and power electronics.

My goal is to use the bikes I have so extensively that their price/resale value etc doesn't matter because I have gotten much more than what I invested in.

E-bikes come under areas of technology that are vulnerable to battery and motor developments. As a result, we will continue to see better/stronger/lighter motors in some segments and battery energy density will continue to improve but nothing drastic for the foreseeable future.

Tesla recently upgraded their drive-train to eek out 350+ miles of range and their new batteries starting 2020 would be able to go for 1 million miles.
Their semi truck drive systems are guaranteed for 1 million miles and soon the battery will also be. That kind of longevity, usage, performance can not be put into a bicycle.

It is a 2 wheeled bicycle that goes from A to B and it has great benefits and limitations but trying to make into something fancy would not be economically feasible.
 
Nobody can predict future, and resale value should not dictate what your present wants are.
I watched my sister go without a pc for several years because hard drive, ram, overall specs were doubling every year. Trouble was, she went several years without knowing or enjoying computer ownership. They have always been great word processors, and even dial up connections made the internet
And computers pretty mind blowing experiences(IMO) and worth the price of ownership.
Many people thought Ebikes had a two year life before technology dated them. I disagree. I just bought my second new st2, identical to my first, with about 4 years separating them. St5 is far from a breakthrough in Ebikes, unless you consider taller stand over height and unadjustable handlebars breakthroughs.
 
Examples of obsolete tech at very low prices abound-
Iphones, iphone 6+ now is 150$ down from 8-900$. A 10 year old Mac is 100$ -150$ from 2grand. And lots of other similar obsolete tech. can be found.

I'm still using my iPhone 6+. It only has one faint scratch on it, and I will continue to use it until it no longer functions. People use their acoustic bikes for years and years; decades even. While an e-bike's electrical components (battery) won't do that, as long as everything is functional, there is no reason to stop using (and enjoying) a bike that is "obsolete."
 
For those that are really worried about value loss, wait until 2022 to buy a bike. In the mean time, I'll continue to ride mine with present day technology for the next 3 years. IMO, the depreciation in value is well worth the enjoyment I'm getting now.
 
The latest and greatest technology is always way more expensive to stay on top of. Unless or until they bring a $1699. hoverboard, or my riding priorities change, I'll get along fine using today's available technology at that price point.
 
I think ebikes will do worse than regular
bikes for resale because of the complexity of maintenance, especially for brands that don't have local warehouses with customer support departments that stock parts.

I bought my bike from a brand that is known for its customer support, but sure don't plan on selling it used to upgrade for better tech. I like it and will keep liking it, and I also care about my transportation being economical--that means getting the most out of my bike for its lifespan. My battery has 720wh. I plan to ride it as long as I can keep it maintained. (I keep cars a long time, too!) I've already got a great quality ride that is fun and terrific for commuting. If I have to replace my battery at some point, I'll do that--much cheaper to replace a battery than a whole bike. How long can I ride my bike? I don't know, but I plan for it to be a good long time! :)

What ebike do you ride that has the 720wh pack ?
 
I'm still using my iPhone 6+. It only has one faint scratch on it, and I will continue to use it until it no longer functions. People use their acoustic bikes for years and years; decades even. While an e-bike's electrical components (battery) won't do that, as long as everything is functional, there is no reason to stop using (and enjoying) a bike that is "obsolete."
I used the wrong word -“obsolete” there, should have been -“older” or “vintage” ?I use a 6S+ as my daily phone, did try out a X model and alltough it has many great features it is not worth it such a high price.
 
What ebike do you ride that has the 720wh pack ?

I have the bike pictured--it's a commuter ebike with "cruiser" styling. The rear rack battery gives plenty of room for a high capacity battery. I don't know the capacity of bikes with batteries integrated into the frame. There is another style of bike with rear-rack battery that is called a "commuter". The bike is a bit shorter in length and is a geometrical "Dutch" style.

Here's a link to info on my bike:
https://www.pedegoelectricbikes.com/product/interceptor/

Some folks love-to-hate Pedego for what they think is cheesy marketing and styling, and high prices. But Pedego has a dealer (like my Toyota does!) and that was an attractive feature to me that I thought was worth paying for, as it makes it easy to get support with my bike's 2 year parts-and-labor warranty. I wonder how much cheaper our cars would be if there were no local dealers with service departments? Anyway, folks decide what matters to them when they spend their $$. I think that over time my bike will prove to have been an economical purchase.
 
Obsolete... some folks like to get the latest thing as soon as it comes out. I'm a bit of a "late adopter." Take ebikes... they've been around for several more years than I've been riding (my one year bike-a-versary is coming up soon!), but I didn't understand how an ebike would change my life for the better. As long as my bike has that FUNCTION of giving me great, reliable, transportation, it will not be obsolete IMO. :)
 
Although bicycle still has the fundamental of two wheels, the components around it have been vastly changed due to technologies and they will continue to evolve. Looks at how the suspension, frame materials, Internal Gear Hub, Pinion Gear Hub, Ebike motors, belt drive, Ommi system, GPS tracking ...ect are helping to improve our cycling experiences. Yet, we still have these old hand build bicycle folks exist (which is the good thing). Of course these hand build bikes are not cheap but they do have customers.

It is all boiling down to what type of customers are you?

Here is the list:

* Innovators
* Early Adopters
* Early Majorities
* Late Majorities
* Laggers

Which one are you?
 
I would love to be able to afford to be an "Innovater"

The reality is though, with my budget and priorities in mind, I'm generally going to find my self much further down that list.
 
See this thread about a lemon: https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/new-member-and-new-ebike.27737/
On welcome to new members thread there have been several other lemons that ran maybe 3 miles before having to go to the shop. Over & over.
Because of this problem I wouldn't buy a used ebike for any price. But the used ones that show up on craigslist here are asking $3000 for a 36 v battery one from 5 years ago. There are some fools out there. A lot of people won't read forums before purchase. I did.
I'm looking forward to much better batteries in future. If I could get 100 miles out of a battery, I could bicycle tour and charge at night in the motel. Two batteries is no solution; the 2nd one is too easy to steal while the rider is in the restroom, restaurant, or tourist attraction he/she traveled to see.
If a new technology battery is compatible with a 48v motor at up to 26 amps, all I have to do to upgrade is build a mount out of aluminum and splice on a pair of .157" bullet connectors. The advantage of a home conversion, there is no custom patented battery mount/connector to fit a custom patented battery. So less of the investment goes obsolete.
Did anybody see the video of the Tesla explosion in China 4/23/19? My LIIon battery is mounted out 2 feet in front, not between my legs like most integrated e-bikes. Out there it helps balance the 60 lb of supplies I put in the bags on the back.
 
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