What I don't know about 20 mph 'systems' here in the US

DashRiprock

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I ran across the following conversation today regarding a style of bike being asked for that is seemingly 'forbidden' or not necessarily designed around 'something' here in the US. My question is this...what are these fs mountain bikes and what do they have to do with 20 mph/US systems?

@Vern asked: Do any of the FS mountain bikes top 20 mph??
@Larry Pizzi replied "The US systems are designed for 20mph, so am afraid not.
 
My question is this...what are these fs mountain bikes and what do they have to do with 20 mph/US systems?

I understand "FS mountain bikes" to mean full suspension mountain bike. And what they have to do with the 20 mph/US system is that for them to be legal on the street the throttle mode has to be limited to 20 mph.

An example of a mountain bike that is off road only is the ProdecoTech Outlaw SS. It will go 28 mph in throttle mode, but is not considered to be legal for street use.
 
So basically the federal (or majority state?) legislative system has decreed that since there are no taxes (licenses) presently shaken from ebikes (without a riot)...they won't be allowed (through technology regulation) to displace revenue derived from other modes of transport whose numbers would naturally suffer from technological advances/sales of Ebikes.

No wonder that Ebikes are just now breaking out.
 
So basically the federal (or majority state?) legislative system has decreed that since there are no taxes (licenses) presently shaken from ebikes (without a riot)...they won't be allowed (through technology regulation) to displace revenue derived from other modes of transport whose numbers would naturally suffer from technological advances/sales of Ebikes.

No wonder that Ebikes are just now breaking out.
That may be part of it but I think it's actually about where the bikes will be ridden. If they go faster than 20mph and are on bike paths and sidewalks they present a hazard for pedestrians but if they are taken onto streets they would need lights, turn signals, a horn and require crash testing for safety. You can get street legal scooters and electric motorcycles in the USA (such as the ZERO) but they require licensing, registration and insurance just like a car.

Some ebikes are classified as "off road only" and they do pass 20mph but really don't fit into either class and present a legal liability hazard to riders who do take them onto the street (if you crashed into someone/something you'd get into extra trouble). Bikes like the Stealth Bomber are akin to gasoline powered motocross bikes... sturdy, rugged, well balanced and capable on jumps with larger tires for grip. By comparison, the ProdecoTech Outlaw SS is not as sturdy, rugged or balanced and in my feeling is more dangerous off-road (especially at higher speeds). To me, this is just a way for people to buy a faster bicycle and they risk legal ramifications if they do use it on road. There are some other bikes like those from Optibike like the R11 that also go off-road and can reach higher speeds.
 
Great summary, Court (thanks). Two things I'm not too keen on is overregulation due to unnecessary taxes or liability. I make quite a distinction between sidewalks and bike paths as (imo) the latter should shoulder no liability whatsoever save what the individual possesses for his own actions on the path.
 
Great summary, Court (thanks). Two things I'm not too keen on is overregulation due to unnecessary taxes or liability. I make quite a distinction between sidewalks and bike paths as (imo) the latter should shoulder no liability whatsoever save what the individual possesses for his own actions on the path.

Remember this is your government at work.. In Florida only human powered bikes are allowed on on sidewalks and bike paths......However the 20 mph ones are classified as bikes but they are not allowed under electric power on those paths.

Now if i hit someone or some bike on a bike path with my electric bike i could tehcnically be at fault, IF they can prove the bike wasn't being human powered only at the time
 
Now if i hit someone or some bike on a bike path with my electric bike i could tehcnically be at fault, IF they can prove the bike wasn't being human powered only at the time
I think they have the same legal framework in Colorado and I was planning to just ride under human power on bike paths. It would be nice if they regulated how people were riding instead of blanketing "all electric bikes" under the same rules. Some people have sensitive knees or struggle with cardio and ride very responsibly with assist, even more so than some non-powered bicyclers.
 
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