Hello from a very wet Edinburgh

jason.flood

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Edinburgh
Hello EMBR Forums,

I'm Jason, from Edinburgh, Scotland. I recently bought my first e-bike, a Specialized Turbo Vado SL 5.0 EQ, after much deliberation.
I want to get a post or two under my belt as I haven't used a forum in ages and have only recently create this account.

These forums really helped me make a purchasing decision. I would say my thought process for the purchase was a mixture of rational and irrational...
  • I wanted something I could try/buy from my LBS.
  • I wanted a big brand but didn't look far beyond Specialized since my current bike has served me so well for 27 years.
  • I currently commute 6-11km each way to work each day (uphill out, downhill return) on a regular bike, but decided I wanted to see if the e-bike could get me out doing rides that I would otherwise have skipped because my knees and lungs are not quite what they used to be.
  • I feel somewhat guilty for "caving" into an e-bike I'll get over it.
  • I wanted something for commuting and off-road but but the Vado SL will probably require more daily/weekly cleaning/maintenance for the long damp winters here.
  • I have to carry my bike up/down 2 flights of stairs each day to my apt so wanted something relatively light but 17kg is a lot more than the 12.5kg of current non ebike
At a height of (almost) 5' 11" I've pushed the boundaries of the Specialized sizing chart with my size M frame but I will accept the consequences and make adjustments to the setup if required. It was a decision partially fuelled to see if my partner, who is 5' 8", could also get on with the bike.

The overall geometry and riding position of the Vado SL is soo new for me, after spending so many years on my stretched out 19'' 1995 Stumpjumper with 4.5'' reach stem.

After 100km on the bike my neck is very happy at being more upright, but I'm making tweaks to suite my back - although I'm wondering if there is just a certain number of miles I need to get in the saddle for my body to adjust to such a big change.

I read with Interest the thread - Vado SL 5.1 GQ, a 27.5/650b “Gravel-Queen” - started by @e-levity . This was not specifically to make the bike into a Gravel-Queen for my partner, but to allow me to explore the differences with a 650b/fatter tyre setup (with Rack and Fenders removed). My LBS had suggested just trying the 700x42 pathfinder pro's with the existing rims. However, I wanted a 2nd set of wheels anyway so ordered a set of DT Swiss HG 1800 SPLINE 650B wheels (along with the GravelKing SK 27.5 x 1.9 tyres from e-levity's post)

Hopefully I'll still get the clearances he reported 🤔. I will see in later in January when the 2nd wheel set arrives.

I also bought some Ortlieb Sport Roller Free panniers that are quite dinky, but fit perfectly onto the EQ rack. The Quick-Lock 2.1 adjusters, that provide for varying the spacing of the hooks, fit absolutely perfectly between the front and rear braces on the rack. It's almost like there is a std sizing used by both manufacturers 😆 (My older rack and 1994 Karrimore panniers required some effort to stop loads sliding about.)

I also bought an Ortlieb Frame-Pack RC 4L , which although bought for my other bike , fits pretty well on the Vado SL too without fouling on the mastermind display (if not using the RE battery)

My brain is swirling with ideas from these forums but I'll get out and get some miles under my belt before waffling on any more.

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Hello EMBR Forums,
  • I currently commute 6-11km each way to work each day (uphill out, downhill return) on a regular bike, but decided I wanted to see if the e-bike could get me out doing rides that I would otherwise have skipped because my knees and lungs are not quite what they used to be.
Welcome aboard! Funky knees here as well, and that's exactly what my ebike's done for me. Enjoy!
 
Thanks @Jeremy McCreary @JGcycle.

I read the forum etiquette but failed to remember to name my photos before adding them as I just dragged and dropped them from photos app.

I hope the mods don't kick me out before I've got started 🙈
Gee, that's a rule?? I've posted hundreds of photos by now and have yet to rename a single one. No secret police in the night. In fact, I've never even seen someone called out for it.

If you need something to worry about, you should probably find something else.
;^}
 
Welcome Jason!


although I'm wondering if there is just a certain number of miles I need to get in the saddle for my body to adjust to such a big change.
Everyone is different, but I do think there is something to the notion of the body adapting to the bike. There is definitely something to be said for being patient and deliberate when making changes to a new bike.

I wasted time and money trying out different saddles when I got my ebike only to go back to the stock saddle once I got used to the bike AND tweaked the geometry that last little bit to suit me better.
 
Gee, that's a rule?? I've posted hundreds of photos by now and have yet to rename a single one. No secret police in the night. In fact, I've never even seen someone called out for it.

If you need something to worry about, you should probably find something else.
;^}
Ha, yes, I think the photo renaming makes it easier for the search functions but how easy it is to drag and drop photos, adding a step of exporting and renaming them would seem cumbersome (Unless they could be renamed easily after adding to a post)

I definitely has better things to worry about though. You are right about that Jeremy
 
Ha, yes, I think the photo renaming makes it easier for the search functions but how easy it is to drag and drop photos, adding a step of exporting and renaming them would seem cumbersome (Unless they could be renamed easily after adding to a post)

I definitely has better things to worry about though. You are right about that Jeremy
Definitely time and effort better spent sharing pictures of where you ride, however they're named. Three great threads for that, all favorites of mine:



 
Welcome Jason!



Everyone is different, but I do think there is something to the notion of the body adapting to the bike. There is definitely something to be said for being patient and deliberate when making changes to a new bike.

I wasted time and money trying out different saddles when I got my ebike only to go back to the stock saddle once I got used to the bike AND tweaked the geometry that last little bit to suit me better.
Sage advice @BlackHand, thanks for sharing. I have also been thinking the saddle is not right but I’m going to give it some time and adjustments.

Rain has stopped today so time to get out and about
For any Americans visiting.
It's not pronounced edin-berg.

Always say
Eh-din-burger.
They will love you for it
or Edin-boar-row - we love that too 😂
 
Definitely time and effort better spent sharing pictures of where you ride, however they're named. Three great threads for that, all favorites of mine:



Thanks for the tip Jeremy. I’ll take a look through those. The scenery was lovely today south of the city but I didn’t take pics on the ride since o was focusing more on trying to work out where I was going.

First test ride with a panniers though. They didn’t fall off or rattle so pleased about that.
 
Congratulations Jason! Also thank you for the informative post.

Some remarks:
  • Please -- under no circumstances -- overload your panniers over the total gross weight limit as marked on the rack. Spread the load between the two panniers equally. The Vado SL rack is very delicate and it easily bends when overloaded or heavily loaded to one side. (Ask me how I know...)
  • I am 5'8" but Vado SL size M has turned out too small for me (I have long arms). I have replaced the stem with a 120 mm one (4.7") for my ideal riding position. The issue with your SL 5.0 is only some Specialized stems are compatible with the FutureShock. Replacing a stem would also mean the need to relocate the headlight. You might of course decide that the current geometry has been OK for you and do nothing about it.
I'm very much interested if the 42 mm Pathfinders Pro would fit your mudguards! Please tell us!

Mamy happy rides!

or Edin-boar-row - we love that too
Duly noted, haha!

I still wonder how you pronounce Dublin... I got no definitive answer from local people there!
 
Congratulations Jason! Also thank you for the informative post.

Some remarks:
  • Please -- under no circumstances -- overload your panniers over the total gross weight limit as marked on the rack. Spread the load between the two panniers equally. The Vado SL rack is very delicate and it easily bends when overloaded or heavily loaded to one side. (Ask me how I know...)
  • I am 5'8" but Vado SL size M has turned out too small for me (I have long arms). I have replaced the stem with a 120 mm one (4.7") for my ideal riding position. The issue with your SL 5.0 is only some Specialized stems are compatible with the FutureShock. Replacing a stem would also mean the need to relocate the headlight. You might of course decide that the current geometry has been OK for you and do nothing about it.
I'm very much interested if the 42 mm Pathfinders Pro would fit your mudguards! Please tell us!

Mamy happy rides!


Duly noted, haha!

I still wonder how you pronounce Dublin... I got no definitive answer from local people there!

Hello Stefan,

I had noted the rack was only rated for 15kg but it seems to feel very solid to me. That being said I'm definitely taking note of your experience on that one. Indeed, I bought the 25L sport rollers instead of the 40L back rollers, to discourage me from packing too much. - the tendency being to pack more stuff "just in case" if there is still space.

I was a bit disappointed that there didn't seem to be any OEM option for a front rack on the Vado SL so perhaps I'll look into an aftermarket one or handlebar options in the new year. but I'm also aware there grossweight limit for the bike doesn't give me much wiggle room as I'm 90kg.

Re your comment on the SL 5.0 stem. LOL, I can see I'm really going to get to know about all the proprietary stuff that Specialized have put on the bike hanging out here. I pushed the saddle back a bit today and increased seat post height from 9 to 10. My lower back didn't seem to be any worse off after a 30km ride today. I will put researching stems on my todo list though, just in case.

I think the new riding position is putting strain on different back muscles than I'm used too. I'm also thinking that the more upright position is perhaps driving bump* forces directly up my spine in a different way to the more stretched out position I'm used too. I'll give it some time to see if my back/muscles adjust.
(* Anyone who's cycled (or driven) in Edinburgh will tell you what a state a lot of the city's roads are in.)

I didn't make it clear but, I didn't order the 42mm pathfinders as suggested by the LBS because I was taking the plunge on the 650b wheels anyway. I think I read that 42mm ones were max for no-EQ on the specialized support site. Although, I have another vague memory of reading a post on EBR that said if you get a lower profile bolt that connects the fender to rack you can get bigger than 38mm tires on the 700 rims?

In my case, I've accepted that I'll need to remove rack and fenders for when I want to do a bit off offroading with the 650b/1.9 Gravelkings. I'd probably stick a plastic MTB seatpost mounted guard in this case. In preparation, one job on my todo list is to find a nice waterproof/sealable connector that I can use to split the rear light cable just inside the motor cover, so I reconnect the rack/fender/light in the future.

Accents are a wonderful thing, but as Sassenach living in Edinburgh for 26 years, you definitely don't want lessons from me on how to pronounce Dublin (or Edinburgh for that matter) 🙂
 
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