Annotate a map with your bike experience, pictures or eBike battery range. Use cell phone camera to calculate eBike battery economy.

BikeMike

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First, if you simply want to analyze your battery economy using your cell phone to display battery charge on a map, see post #30. You can also display any other bike computer information by exploiting the GPS data stored in a picture. Geocoding your experience on a map can simply be a picture that captures that moment.

Using a cell phone to compare the eBike battery economy of different bikes is particularly useful when buying a new eBike. Have you ever reset a car trip odometer to calculate MPG after filling a tank? Same technique for a battery. Cell phone pictures of the bike computer head unit becomes the trip odometer. See post #30.

GPX files, or annotated map files, can be obtained in many ways. Google Maps, for instance, exports GPX files.

Has anybody tried marking up GPS files with battery percentage information so you can better judge routes in the future? Especially, with regard to cadence, power and assistance levels? Nyon will annotate most of this information for you.

My understanding is you can easily overlay eBike information onto a map by taking pictures of the bike head unit with a phone that takes pictures in EXIF format, e.g., iPhone. The EXIF format contains lat/long points. The question is which software makes it easiest to automatically synchronize a picture with a GPX file.

The downside to a picture is the loss of numeric information. More desirable is exporting the eBike controller information from the eBike computer. I cannot find a standard XML extension for eBikes. I contacted Bosch about how the format of Nyon information.

How to record your feelings is explained in post #19. overlaying your feelings is achieved by using a GPX editor like Garmin BaseCamp.



Nyon may already provide mapped battery levels. I am having trouble finding an exact answer.


Are two PowerTube 500wh batteries needed for this round trip?



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I wonder how far into the Colorado Trail two PowerTube 500wh batteries can take a strong rider?

http://www.coloradotrail.org/planning.html

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I've created many GPX files but none with the data you're looking for. A file like this would be easy enough to create using data from field tests. It would be difficult to keep accurate though due the number of variables involved. Battery age, rider weight, type of bike, weather conditions, are a few that come to mind. It sounds like a challenge though. Why not give it a try yourself?

If you have a PC or MAC, Garmin provides a free program called Basecamp which will allow you to view and edit a .GPX file while overlayed on a very basic map. You need to own a Garmin GPS with free lifetime maps however to be able to download detailed maps. You can then view any .GPX file overlayed on the detailed map.

You can get Basecamp here: https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp

If you are PC savvy, there is another program called "Extra POI Editor" or EPE that will let you view and edit .GPX files.

You can get it here: http://extra-poi-editor1.software.informer.com/5.32/

Support for the program is a bit sketchy so you have to play with it a bit.

I also highly recommend this forum for this and many other GPS related topics: http://www.poi-factory.com/
 
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If you have a PC or MAC, Garmin provides a free program called Basecamp which will allow you to view and edit a .GPX file while overlayed on a very basic map. You need to own a Garmin GPS with free lifetime maps however to be able to download detailed maps. You can then view any .GPX file overlayed on the detailed map.

You can get Basecamp here: https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp

If you are PC savvy, there is another program called "Extra POI Editor" or EPE that will let you view and edit .GPX files.

You can get it here: http://extra-poi-editor1.software.informer.com/5.32/

Support for the program is a bit sketchy so you have to play with it a bit.

I also highly recommend this forum for this and many other GPS related topics: http://www.poi-factory.com/

Thanks. You seem to be very well informed.
 
Traillink.com is an excellent source of trail information. Here is a link to their Highline Trail web page:

https://www.traillink.com/trail/high-line-canal-trail-(co)/

They also have a downloadable .GPX file for the trail which you could modify with your own data via the programs I mentioned in an earlier post.

You have to be a member of Traillink to view maps and download files though. If you are a serious trail rider like I am, it is well worth the $25 / yr. subscription fee.
 
Traillink.com is an excellent source of trail information. Here is a link to their Highline Trail web page:

https://www.traillink.com/trail/high-line-canal-trail-(co)/

They also have a downloadable .GPX file for the trail which you could modify with your own data via the programs I mentioned in an earlier post.

You have to be a member of Traillink to view maps and download files though. If you are a serious trail rider like I am, it is well worth the $25 / yr. subscription fee.

I still do not know whether battery state is part of Nyon markup data. I want to follow an existing standard, preferably Nyon markup tag format. Or, some other standard to augment a GPX file with battery state.

https://www.topografix.com/gpx/1/1/

I noticed they have an iPhone app. Have you used their app? I bought the GAIA GPS app, which i find very helpful.
 
I still do not know whether battery state is part of Nyon markup data. I want to follow an existing standard, preferably Nyon markup tag format. Or, some other standard to augment a GPX file with battery state.

https://www.topografix.com/gpx/1/1/

I noticed they have an iPhone app. Have you used their app? I bought the GAIA GPS app, which i find very helpful.

Yes, I use the Traillink iPhone app. It's good in a pinch when you have cell service but its not always available in the areas I ride. I usually transfer the Traillink data to my own .GPX files and download to my GPS.
 
Traillink.com is an excellent source of trail information. Here is a link to their Highline Trail web page:

https://www.traillink.com/trail/high-line-canal-trail-(co)/

They also have a downloadable .GPX file for the trail which you could modify with your own data via the programs I mentioned in an earlier post.

You have to be a member of Traillink to view maps and download files though. If you are a serious trail rider like I am, it is well worth the $25 / yr. subscription fee.

Seems like BaseCamp is popular in Germany. I actually speak German, so i understand this video. I lived in Switzerland for a year in high school.

 
Yes, I use the Traillink iPhone app. It's good in a pinch when you have cell service but its not always available in the areas I ride. I usually transfer the Traillink data to my own .GPX files and download to my GPS.

Do you mount your iphone or GPS to your handlebars? I find using my iphone to be inconvenient when riding. My hands get too sweaty. I wear contacts, so reading the iphone 6 Plus is difficult.
 
Do you mount your iphone or GPS to your handlebars? I find using my iphone to be inconvenient when riding. My hands get too sweaty. I wear contacts, so reading the iphone 6 Plus is difficult.

I occasionally mount my iPhone 7+ to the handlebars using this RAM cradle:

https://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-universal-rubber-grip-phone-cradle-ram-hol-un5u

Like you however, I wear glasses and find it difficult to read and touch the sensitive iPhone screen while riding. I primarily use a Garmin Montana GPS mounted to the handlebars, also using the RAM mount system. The daylight readable screen and stable touch controls are far easier to operate IMO.

Most of the time, my iPhone rides in my pocket or the rack bag.
 
I occasionally mount my iPhone 7+ to the handlebars using this RAM cradle:

https://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-universal-rubber-grip-phone-cradle-ram-hol-un5u

Like you however, I wear glasses and find it difficult to read and touch the sensitive iPhone screen while riding. I primarily use a Garmin Montana GPS mounted to the handlebars, also using the RAM mount system. The daylight readable screen and stable touch controls are far easier to operate IMO.

Most of the time, my iPhone rides in my pocket or the rack bag.

I have a Garmin Edge 25 mounted to my handlebars. I think the Nyon GPX data is more useful to me for analysis, than when i ride. I rarely look at my Garmin.

I want to make the case against commuting by car over a six mile car route. Here is my first test case, the Lee Gulch trail, which intersects with the Highline Canal trail (brown colored line).

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Claudia Wasko is General Manager of Bosch eBike Systems Americas. Claudia can be reached at [email protected].

From: https://www.bosch-ebike.com/us/experience-ebike/stories/bosch-ebikes-battery-blog/

Here’s the thing, though: There’s no simple answer to how far an eBike battery will take you per charge, because there are so many factors involved, including:

  • Assistance level: A rider who keeps the pedal-assist at its highest setting (Turbo) – meaning they pedal less and the bike does more of the work – will naturally drain the battery faster than a rider pedaling in Eco mode – where the rider does most of the work.

  • Terrain: Uphill jaunts on an eBike tax the battery more than cruising the flats, so whether you’re riding in San Francisco or Iowa makes a difference.

  • Rider Weight: Just like pulling a loaded wagon uphill, heavy riders will drain a battery faster than lightweight riders.

  • Ground conditions: Gravel, sand and paved bike lanes affect all bikes differently, and for an eBike, tough ground conditions translate into shorter battery life.
  • Wind: A rider’s legs – and their bike battery – need to put in more or less effort depending on which way the wind is blowing and how breezy it is.

  • Tire pressure: Tires that aren’t inflated to their optimal pressure may grip the road better and give you a little softer ride, but they take more energy to turn.
However, some best practices can ensure optimal battery range:

Shift those gears. Pedaling cadence between 60-80 rotations per minute optimizes the efficiency of the drive unit. Your bike’s wide range of gears helps you keep in a high cadence no matter what speed or slope you encounter. Ideally, start off and take inclines in a low gear, then shift to a higher gear in accordance with the terrain and speed. If your eBike has an Intuvia display, keep an eye on the arrows in the top-left corner – Bosch’s gear shift recommendation keeps things simple by telling you when to up shift and down shift, just like in modern stick-shift cars.

Extra baggage. If long range is the goal, keep the total weight of any additional carry-ons from being unnecessarily high.

Stay in the flow. As with a car, frequent starting and stopping is less “fuel-efficient” than pedaling long distances at a nearly constant speed.

Remember climates change. As outside temperatures decrease, the efficiency of a rechargeable PowerPack goes down, since the electrical resistance increases. In winter, riders can thus expect a reduction in the normal range.

Treat your PowerPack like a pet. To get the longest service life out of a battery, bring the battery indoors on a cold winter’s night, keep it out of the blazing hot sun, and recharge it at room temperature. If storing for several months, extra care goes a long way: make sure its charge level is 30-60%, and place it in a dry environment free from direct sunlight at room temperature.

An eBikes’s range can be anywhere from 15 miles (24 kilometers) to 140 miles (230 kilometers) on a full charge, with the factors we’ve outlined affecting that range. For help planning a trip, the Bosch range assistant takes into account the different factors and gives you an idea of how far you can expect to travel in the conditions that you specify.

https://www.bosch-ebike.com/us/news/11-questions-about-the-ebike-battery/

1. What is special about lithium-ion batteries?
Thomas Raica: Lithium-ion batteries are among the most up-to-date and common eBike batteries around. Thanks to their high energy density they can store more energy and are relatively light in weight. We rely on lithium-ion technology for all of our Bosch eBike batteries – our PowerPacks. Bosch batteries weigh about 5.5 lbs (2.5 kg) and are among the lightest on the market. They also have the highest energy density.

2. How long does a battery last?
Thomas Raica: Lithium-ion batteries are not only light; they also have a long service life. Bosch PowerPacks are designed for many tours, distances and years of use. The smart electronic Bosch battery management system protects lithium-ion batteries from too high of temperatures, overloading and deep discharging. A precise life span is impossible to forecast, however. The battery’s service life will depend mainly on the nature and duration of the stress to which it is subjected.

3. How can you influence the service life?
Thomas Raica: To get the longest service life out of a battery eBikers need only to follow a few simple rules in respect of protection, transport and storage. They include storing the battery in a dry environment and protecting it from direct sunlight at a room temperature of around 59°F (15°C) to 68°F (20°C). The ideal charging level for a battery is between 30% and 60%. Ideally, the battery should be recharged at room temperature. When transporting an eBike it is important to remove the battery from the bike and store it safely in the car.

4. How long does it take to charge a battery?
Thomas Raica: The charging time depends on the battery’s capacity. Using the standard charger (for a half charge) the PowerPack 400 takes about 1.5 hours and the PowerPack 500 roughly 2 hours. A totally depleted PowerPack 400 takes 3.5 and a PowerPack 500 roughly 4.5 hours.

5. How far can you travel on one battery?
And which factors affect the battery’s range? Thomas Raica: For many eBikers these are crucial questions to which there are, however, no generally valid answers. The answer can differ enormously – from less than 12 miles (20 km) to well over 62 miles (100 km) on a full battery charge. Many different factors affect the range. They include the assistance level, cycling behavior, air resistance, the cyclist’s weight, tire pressure and, of course, the terrain. What are the ground conditions? Am I cycling on a paved road, a farm track or a forest trail? Does my route include ascents or consist solely of flat and open country? All of these factors influence the battery range. If you are planning a tour, a visit to www.bosch-ebike.com is highly recommended. The website includes a range assistant that takes the different factors into account and gives you an idea of how far you can expect to travel in the conditions that you specify.

6. What precautions should be taken in winter?
Thomas Raica: A general rule is that cold weather reduces battery performance. That is why, in winter at below-zero temperatures, it is advisable to wait until just before you set out before attaching to your eBike a battery that has been charged and stored at room temperature. If you have not used the eBike for quite a while – in winter, for example – the battery should be stored in an environment that is dry and cool at about 30% to 60% of its charge capacity.

7. What must be kept in mind when cleaning the battery?
Thomas Raica: A pressure washer is unsuitable for cleaning an eBike, especially its electronic components. We recommend wiping the battery with a damp cloth. Do not use strong detergents that might affect the surface and always remove the battery before cleaning the eBike. Its plug connectors should also be cleaned and lightly greased from time to time.

8. How are batteries best charged?
Thomas Raica: PowerPacks with their lithium-ion cells can be charged for as short a period as you like irrespective of their charge status. The PowerPack’s integrated battery management system, combined with a Bosch charger, protects the battery from overload when charging. Interrupting the charging process does the battery no harm. An important point to bear in mind is that eBike batteries should only be charged with the right charger because irreparable damage might otherwise result and warranty or guarantee claims might become invalid.

9. How often can a battery be recharged?
Thomas Raica: Even after 500 full charges the battery will still retain a high capacity—60 to 70% of the original capacity will then still be available. In an ADAC test carried out in autumn 2015 a Bosch eBike battery was fully discharged and recharged 1,515 times before it retained only 30% of its original capacity and was no longer of any real use. This means that the battery would have been sufficient for up to 35,400 miles (57,000 km) – or one-and-a-half times around the globe.

10. Where can batteries be repaired?
Thomas Raica: High-quality lithium-ion batteries like the Bosch PowerPacks are complex, finely-tuned systems the repair of which requires special expertise and elaborate production facilities. That is why a defective battery must in nearly all cases be replaced. We recommend the following procedure. First, let the dealer check whether the battery really is defective and has, for instance, a fault in its electronics. That is something the dealer can check using the battery management system and the diagnostic tool. If the battery is defective, the dealer will dispose of it with due regard for the safety regulations.

11. How do you dispose of an old battery?
Thomas Raica: The dealer will ensure that a Bosch PowerPack is disposed of in an environmentally sound way free of charge. Disposal in the United States is handled by CALL2RECYCLE at (877) 723-1297.

The red highlighted text are some of reasons why I am buying an extra PowerPack 500w battery. I do not want the battery charge to fall below 30%. I plan to ride 5,000 to 10,000 per year, using my eBike as a car replacement.

Also, The PowerPack is enclosed inside the frame, so it is not directly exposed to cold temperatures, that degrade performance.
 
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I occasionally mount my iPhone 7+ to the handlebars using this RAM cradle:

https://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-universal-rubber-grip-phone-cradle-ram-hol-un5u

Like you however, I wear glasses and find it difficult to read and touch the sensitive iPhone screen while riding. I primarily use a Garmin Montana GPS mounted to the handlebars, also using the RAM mount system. The daylight readable screen and stable touch controls are far easier to operate IMO.

Most of the time, my iPhone rides in my pocket or the rack bag.

Have you found a way to associate iPhone pictures or videos with the location on the GPX route? I imagine that would be easy to automate, but it might also require some manual effort? I would like to see some type of icon on the map that would function like a callout. Tap on that icon and a picture displays or video plays.

In other words, how do you capture the experience along the GPX route?
 
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I haven't yet figured out a way to automate the process. I usually just take a geocoded picture with the iPhone or other camera and create a waypoint on the GPS using the MOB (man overboard) function as a backup. I then download the recorded track from the GPS using Basecamp and edit the .GPX file manually. It takes some time but I enjoy reviewing the ride during the process.
 
I occasionally mount my iPhone 7+ to the handlebars using this RAM cradle:

https://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-universal-rubber-grip-phone-cradle-ram-hol-un5u

Like you however, I wear glasses and find it difficult to read and touch the sensitive iPhone screen while riding. I primarily use a Garmin Montana GPS mounted to the handlebars, also using the RAM mount system. The daylight readable screen and stable touch controls are far easier to operate IMO.

Most of the time, my iPhone rides in my pocket or the rack bag.

They talk about some problems with Garmin Monterra here. I did not find anything about Nyon.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gpsxml/conversations/messages
 
I haven't yet figured out a way to automate the process. I usually just take a geocoded picture with the iPhone or other camera and create a waypoint on the GPS using the MOB (man overboard) function as a backup. I then download the recorded track from the GPS using Basecamp and edit the .GPX file manually. It takes some time but I enjoy reviewing the ride during the process.

I noticed a few apps that might provide the feature. Here's a random one.

http://www.robogeo.com/home/waypoints.asp

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Photo_mapping

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM
 
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How can we quantify feelings?

The Google Maps Traffic feature already color codes traffic congestion (i.e., negative feelings) for you. I am not a fan of cars. I sold my car because i get around Denver so easily on my bike. I want to encourage people to use bike sharing for the worst part of the commute to the RTD, a 2.5 mile radius. Few people will bike more than 2.5 miles. Here is a way to convince yourself of the benefits.

Let’s take a step towards statistics, without getting bogged down by technical considerations. A scale from -3 to +3 can mimic standard deviations. Discussion of statistics is beyond the scope of the post. Suffice it to say that a scale from -3 to +3 allows me to be more accurate about defining feelings, than a simple scale from +1 to +5 (which is arbitrary).

I prefer to use -3 to +3 for a more important reason that improves accuracy — ordinary English usage. Almost all adjective pairs can be directly mapped to a -3 to +3 scale, without the need for interpretation or explanation. For example,
  • Worst(-3),
  • Worse(-2),
  • Bad(-1)

  • Ambivalence(0)

  • Good(+1),
  • Better(+2)
  • Best(+3)
The Google Maps Traffic information can now be used as factual evidence about feelings, rather than subjective opinions about traffic congestion. The service designer’s goal is to create greatest value by comparing before and after outcome from the bike sharing experience. Google Maps Traffic feature can help locate the bike paths, car routes or RTD stations that maximize emotional benefit. All you need to do is associate Google Map colors with the -3 to +3 scale.

A saavy entrepreneur can exploit this information to host events at the most advantageous locations or times.

I will use the -3 to +3 scale to evaluate every eBike experience. The trick is defining an eBike experience. I want to compare conventional and eBike experiences in a fair way.

The -3 to +3 numbering system is invariant. A category to describe what a rating means also needs to associated. For example: /Feeling/Positive/Happiness.
 
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