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I have gotten pretty frustrated with people's logic on here and apologize for calling you a bootlicker. This thread is NOT about non compliant E-Bikes on trails. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm against illegal E-Bikes on trails and infrastructure as well.

It's pretty frustrating that you are talking constantly about illegal E-Bikes.

It's not a civil debate when you respond with nonsensical points about illegal E-Bikes. Like I said, go start a thread about illegal E-Bikes on trails. What you are saying has nothing to do with the topic.

I will ride a 10,000 watt bike if I want. I just need to install my fancy sticker. 😂 😂 😂 😂

So more evidence that the 3-Class has just created confusion in interstate commerce? That makes 6 different standards now. I'm sure the industry and manufacturers love that. Thanks for adding to the argument. Keep licking Asher.

So much for being civil! That meme pretty much sums up all your guys arguments! Thanks for insulting yourself!

Again, this is not about trail access. A Bike = E-Bike. They would have to ban ALL bikes. Your argument is ridiculous. The DOI has already ruled on this. You know this and are being disingenuous as usual.

It was delayed for a reason. Why would he sponsor a bill that had wording that didn't quality his own state??? I have the original version, and when the bill is tabled again, you will have seen the change.

"bike lobby/advocates" Do you mean a privately funded industry organisation, that's not democratically elected, paying themselves $150,000 plus in industry money from companies that are in competition with E-Bike technology? Is that what you mean?

What state are you talking about?

Ok, I guess we shall see what the CPSC decides. This is really out of everyones power now. Someone would have eventually petirioned them, I'm assuming industry would have, because 6 different standards now exist in the country. Thanks for the respose. :)

Seems to work great in Oregon.

You sure seem to know a lot, what do you do for a living? Why has the bill been delayed?

Yes, we all have our own path. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. ✌️👍🙏

Exactly, if you have a throttle OR pedelec on the CPSC definition it doesn't provide more power than needed to maintain 20mph. I'm not sure why so many people are talking about legal E-Bikes throttling up to 30+mph??? I honestly believe people are confusing offroad E-Bikes which are not allowed...

Either that or you really never made an effort to even try to understand. Please remember we are all here for the same passion of E-Bikes. No one has the monopoly on the truth. So all this finger pointing is pretty counter productive. Let's all try and be a little more civil to one another...

You sound like you truly mean well and trying to understand. I just think the way Ken explains things seems to confuse people.

There seems to be much confusion. Just so everyone knows, there really is not much difference between P4B Classes and the CPSC. They are very similar. Just that P4B broke it up into 3 parts to match the EU, which made sense at the time for suppliers to have one main standard for the EU and US...

"Pfft... don't put words in my mouth, when my earlier comments clearly don't reflect what you're projecting." That's all @jabberwocky knows how to do. He is king of spinning things that have no relevance to what you claim.

This is a really good link to read - https://bikeportland.org/2010/08/26/e-bikes-the-law-and-you-38493 I believe that Oregon has some of the highest adoption of E-Bikes / per capita in the country, and they never adopted P4B Class. As well, Oregon allows 1000w, which the CPSC allows states to do...