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An alternative idea, but one with a $$$$ price tag is the new(ish) Salsa Tributary e bike - similar upright geo to the Fargo and with a large battery & Bosch mid drive motor. Looks a comfortable beast, But $5K+

This might be worth a look for an easy motor attachment. Seems to get good reviews: https://bimotal.com/

Yep I was a bike courier for a stint back in the day, late 80s when a student, then had a night shift job in a warehouse which meant cycling across London every night at 3am. It was a great buzz! ten years living & often commuting in London traffic and the safest way is often outside the line...

Yamaha motors famously are easily serviced and last for years. Just ask Rab. Plus - and what’s extra weird - is Yamaha just made a big deal out of their 30 year anniversary of being in the e bike game. Be very odd if they kill the entire e bike business world wide right now. I don’t get all...

Not sure- don't think so. As the Vado SL comes with the inbuilt wedge I only used it as a rack mount. If I remember at the time I ordered this one because it wasn't a seat mount rather than both. The problem was most mounts I could see were combination seat clamp and rack mount & I only needed...

Here's the Salsa seat post rack mount Ive used on my Vado SL for years: https://www.salsacycles.com/gear/rack-lock

It's a shame. Most reviews of Yamaha bikes on YouTube seem to be either US, Spanish or of course Japanese. So I would have thought North America was relatively healthy. Good bikes, reliable and sturdy. But the problem I think is their sales approach. On paper it probably made sense to use the...

when you turn the bike over for repair/cleaning! Ouch.

Looking forward to more long term reviews which should shed light on if this becomes an issue or not. Plus anything else the new systems throw up.

Funnily enough I was idly checking other brands to see what rivals there are to the Creo 2 when I saw the Revolt e+ had a Shimano motor. Here's the UK website page but it might auto click through to the North America site when you try and open it! https://www.giant-bicycles.com/gb/revolt-eplus-1

That's what surprised me about them still using the Syncdrive name I thought (assumed) this was a special custom version of the Yamaha motors. If it's just a Giant branding exercise like a cover to slap on any motor brand, why bother?

Was just looking up the Giant e gravel bike and to my surprise It's powered by the Shimano EP6: Giant Revolt E+ 1 £4,499 Shimano EP6 Battery 500wh weight 40lbs That surprised me as I thought they were all Yamaha PW Series. Maybe it's only in the UK. To further confuse it Giant still calls...

That's a very good expression. For me, coming from non-ebikes, my first year on the Vado SL I used assist as sparingly as I could. Developed a rule of thumb, on the level I'd ride unassisted and only use assist once the ride felt sluggish. Then as I got used to the bike occasionally I'd do a...

Don’t worry, AI is here to save the day. I’m sure things are about to get so much better. And simpler. Definitely simpler.

It's tricky. Might be just the bike frame, build to accommodate the Bafang M600 motor. Is it carbon fibre? I check the reviews underneath, often people say what they got and occasionally include photos of the unboxing.

Makes it look slower I think personally. Plus the square tubing style looks bulkier. I mean this shot from Bicycling magazine looks great fun and not slow but in a more city cruising style.

Should have said - size medium frame.

Re the deore - That's why I got the M5120 so I wouldn't have to change everything over to 11. Actually the 11/46 cassette worked ok with the existing original Deore mech for a couple of months despite being beyond Shimano specs, but then for no good reason started rubbing so I got the M5120...

It's the Shimano Deore M5120, 10 or 11 speed apparently. Was cheap as chips from online retailer Biketart for some reason - £29

No its still 10 speed, I'll look it up-