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Thanks Captain Slow and AHicks for your good advice. Kinda like seats”. I’ll remember that.

Thanks for the correction AHicks. On the Canadian site the freewheel is 11-34 with 42 chaingear. This results in a very nice 83 RPM at 28 mph. Low speed at 30 cadence is 3.3 mph. I can see that getting going on steep hills with an ebike is going to be interesting. I need to get out and try it...

Just listened to the first 3 minutes of a Rize Leisure review. The reviewer doesn’t like it that at low speed and low PA the motor is making a squawking noise. The noise goes away when he speeds. I’ll try to find out if it has anything to do with what gear he’s using.

Rich, for sure I’m trying to have my piece of cake and eat it too. I want the high speed (20 mph would be fine) to get to the trail heads and then eMTB capability. I have no plans of going 28mph on a trail. But using a 2 to 3 inch tire on a trail is good. The Surface 604 Shred is the only one...

A fair amount. One example would be the service road up the mountain at a ski resort (https://www.skicastle.ca/). And then there’s the ups and down of a forestry access road or a cut line. I’m still interested in climbing to the top of the mountains on my own horsepower. Thanks for asking.

I've come to the conclusion that I'm looking for a trail and road bike combo. Here's my scenario. In the past, we could take a 4x4 with a quad down main roads and forestry roads and get to a trail head, but the quad is no longer allowed. So I'm looking for both speed and hill climbing...