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smorgasbord and Steve you're both right and my Trek, as described above, pretty well proves it. It continues to serve me well....no 12 speed no motor. Setup with gearing that is probably more appropriate for a gravel bike it makes the steep slopes feel pretty easy. Not able to put out the...

Actually smorgasbord, you're quite right to question my need for 12 speed 11-36 with a motor. Your input is greatly appreciated Well, my best days are in the distant past but I still rely on the motor mostly as a backup if I'm not riding with a faster group or in the late stages of long rides...

Again, thanks for the input. The only 12 speed cassettes I'm aware of (that work on normal shimano HG hubs) are from Sunrace and Miche. Both start at 11 which is OK but have mountain bike ratios. Like 11-50. Rotor lists a 12 speed 11-36 but says it's not compatible with the SRAM AXS flat top...

Hey smorgasbord, Thanks for taking the time to contribute on this issue.... Mostly wishful thinking on my part I'm afraid. Yep, no standards I'm hoping for some encouraging news from the Mahle folks who build the EBM35x system. There's a whole bunch of bike companies offering EBM35x variants...

I'm interested in fitting my ebikemotionx35 hub with a SRAM AXS 12 speed cassette. Has anyone done this? It requires a SRAM XDR driver instead of the shimano/sram style driver that's standard on the ebikemotion bikes. Is there an AXS XDR driver that will fit the ebikemotion axle? I'm guessing...

Thankx firstbuell, I've also got a Wilier Triestina Cento 1HY and it meets my needs quite nicely. Just over 200 miles on it and it does what I want it to do. This ebikemotion sub-forum is a great addition to electricbikereview.