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The Bosch Smart System, whilst not very smart at the moment is built on the foundation of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_FD , this inherently provides for ultimate flexibility in the future. Not sure what kind of system the Specialized Mastermind is, how does it communicate? Does it use a CAN...

Sounds like somebody else who seems to now be an exclusive Specialized fanboy foraying into the Bosch plus Riese & Muller territories giving those brands a bad name all because R&M's reach into Polish territory was not quite what he'd like it to be! :)

But, still waiting for a copy of a belt driven double battery tube enclosed full suspension ebike with suspended rear and/or front carriers from Specialized!

That's quite a list. Let me summarise by saying: It's difficult to be a pioneer, especially when the copier's work frantically with your idea(s) and deliver it smoother before you've had a chance to refine your own original product(s)! :)

I have had one of these (Amazon+others - brand "Venzo", Walmart - brand "OTVIAP", quite cheap) for the last 3 or more years underneath my right handlebar, works great: Amazon Walmart My original SC1 handlebars (FSA Afterburner's) were 76 or 78cm wide, after trimming them they are now approx...

Stefan: Just come over from Bosch/R&M land to say "seems like not everything is going perfectly smooth in Specialized land"! :)

I was never sure as the German->English translator i was using was never that great. Would be interesting to see if your setup works exactly the same with Powertube's instead.

Looks like the Elejoy boost converter in there. Glad to see you didn't do a noob thing like use a black case! I still see now and then young dude's wearing a black t-shirt working outside in our Aussie sun :) Are you able to see the Cycle Count from the Bosch BMS's? I thought i read on the...

Material science is complex & intense these days, you may find because of the viscosity of the Silicone it may permeate it's way further into the engine (not completely "seperated") where it could make contact with a completely in-compatible grease that is performing an important role.

There is simply no substitute for RaceFace: https://www.raceface.com/products/aeffect-pedal-1

And don't forget there's this: https://www.ebikemotorcentre.com/product/mudstop-bosch-gen-2-bearing-protection/ Pretty sure i've mentioned it before. I haven't tried it but it looks likely to produce an even better seal - if you need it. Or keep slapping on the Lanolin Bosch "Tacky" grease :)

They're nice, i would like to zip around the city on one but not enough carrying capability for me, i have a lot of baggage :) The GPS chip doesn't work here in Oz and the only reason i've managed to keep my SuperCharger for almost 4 years now is to carry 2 decent locks & a motion sensing alarm...

That's enough Specialised talk in this R&M UBN thread from the special people! :) Don't the new R&M's look nice! There's even a Fixie for the Hipsters out there!

I quite like my R&M welds:

The particular portion of people who have been waiting for eternity to be finally seen on an R&M with smooth welding joints probably won't do that :)

Think they weigh about 18kg. Motor (60Nm) AND 430Wh battery weighs about 4.3kg. https://fazua.com/en/energy/ride-60/ Not quite as greedy as a Bosch CX. You might get a bit more range on this one though :) : https://pinarello.com/global/en/bikes/road/endurance/nytro-road/nytro-road-ultegra

I think they look & sound great. 60Nm seems plenty for that kind of bike & probably get decent range too. Minimalist R&M :)

Hypothetically, if Bosch allowed the end user to configure more options of their own ebike, could that number of 10 Firmware Options be at least halved?

Sorry if i sound a bit pessimistic but the ebike industry is growing at a very healthy rate: https://www.ebicycles.com/ebike-facts-statistics/ and to be honest, that doesn't look so impressive in contrast to the growth of the industry. I would imagine a large part of the complexity you are...