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Well they're both fat bikes so I wouldn't say they're totally different products. They seem to have a very similar appearance, and performance. Price wise they're totally different though. The site I linked says $4000 is the list, and $3000 is the sale price. You don't think they could be...

Not exactly true George. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I haven't given up on America either, but I have given up on our current government. It's bought and paid for by big business. Big business includes the msm, that lies for constantly big business. It's just a fact that big...

I can sympathize about the jobs, but that's not Storm's fault. You can't blame the guy for looking at the current business climate and trying to take advantage of it. You can blame the bought and paid for government for that. All he's doing is using the current business climate to his full...

Read the link. Both bikes estimate 30 mile range. Both are probably exaggerating, one a little more than the other. Storm Sondors is the more honest of the two. On video for all to see, he claimed his bike will go 20 to 25 miles on a charge with light pedaling. You've lost this fight badly...

This price I quoted is listed on the website I linked Ann baby. If you buy it from them that's what you're going to pay. And I got more bad news for you, and prodaco. At 20 mph you don't need anything other than mechanical disks, and with only 250w you're going to need a 2 speed motor just to...

This goes a long way toward explaining the industry troll war. 7000 of us know who started it,

It's pretty obvious why Prodaco will soon be going extinct. Bye Bye.

...................................Storm........................................................Prodaco Price..........................$1.299..........................................................$3,995 Sale...

You can probably out by asking Rocket Electrics. I think they're one of the biggest eBike stores in Austin. http://www.rocketelectrics.com/

The problem with this bike is it's ugly. It's not the specs, or the price. I've been saying all along the main driving force for the Strom is the great looks first, price second. This is why no one is going to be able the just buy a bunch of cheap Chinese bikes on Alibaba and sell any of them...

Remember when I said some people aren't good on camera? Now we know the rest of the story.

Here's a very interesting article, I'm sure you'll all enjoy this. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-autism-entrepreneur-20150228-story.html#page=2

Thanks J.R.

I want to know who the hell left the seat down? :)

Do I annoy you?

Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. Even if Storm had been entertaining the idea originally of forfeiting and keeping the money, at this point he'd have to have cohonies 12 feet in diameter to do that now. Some of the comments I've read on the fb group, from people that got to ride at...

Brambor, technically the answer is no based on the indiegogo terms, but in one update Strom sent out, he said that at the end of the campaign he will consider offering refunds on a case by case basis in the event of hardship, because he said he's knows life happens. I guess it remains to be seen...

I'm sorry, I haven't been paying as close attention as I guess I should have. Now the campaign is almost over it's probably to late now. About all I can think for you to do is maybe start looking for another bike, of you could just decide to take a chance and pay your money for this one even...

Believe me, I know you've spent a lot of effort and time on this trying to get a bike. I feel sorry for you really, because I don't think you're going to realize your dream of owning this bike. All I can tell you is if this doesn't work out for you, there's always going to be next time.

LOL, if I actually ever do get to talk to the man I'll probably be more interested in asking about my bike, than worrying about you. Honestly I don't know what the best thing for you to do is. Have you thought about hiring a lawyer to help get your $1 back? Have you tried certified mail with...