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agree with you, they are at the mercy of this squeeze on the supply chain industry. We aren't talking a couple of weeks though, with madmods. We are in the ballpark of being almost a year behind what they told customers delivery date was. For them to be so cavalier in 2021 based on what we...

I’m just talking about how they publish dates, miss those dates, act like people aren’t nervous about them slipping dates, act surprised when customers are pissed they miss multiple dates and act like customers should know. I have a friend that ordered a mad mod when it was first available...

for me, i understand price increases, again, the issue i think folks have with Sondors (and others) is their lack of transparency when everyone one on the planet knows they are impacted by supply chain, why not be upfront? It isn't like they have to explain it to anyone who has been on this...

i find it interesting there is little to no concern or thought to lives that can clearly be saved by investing in the appropriate infrastructure. Any talk of the consequences of poor design, deaths aka body count, is wiped away as hyperbolic. If loss of human life doesn't spur some to action...

lol - I guess they are good with the body counts for pedestrians and damage to the planet including more likely to reduce the traffic load.

so you're saying the automobile interstate highway is funded exclusively by the states?

Great, just because you don’t want to ride in colder weather doesn’t mean we shouldn’t create the necessary infrastructure because you get cold or don’t want it. Thank goodness we have people that can understand there are 12 months in year or there are other needs but your own.

Part of it is Sondors terrible communication

just because we can't imagine it in the US, doesn't mean that people in other countries don't commute year round in cold weather. A big reason we can't is because of the terrible infrastructure. NO WAY would I drive on these roads with these drivers in the snow / rain / etc without dedicated /...

even the worse ebikes out there right now, and there are some clunker/hacks/crap that is out there that should, would have to have MAJOR body counts to even do the damage of automobiles, so lets keep things in perspective. Anything ebike is always better than automobile, its quantifiable!

How else is the bike infrastructure going to get built and maintained if not involving governments spending mending? People act like its a mystery how all these roads for automobiles pop up and are maintained, somehow that same policy could not and should not be applied to personal mobility...

my point @rawlus is, when ebikes start putting up the body counts automobiles do as it relates to pedestrians, maybe all this hand ringing / pearl clutching is warranted. Otherwise, what are you really arguing over? Because you don't like people going fast? Guess what? They go 60-80 MPH in...

I'm not sure what you're talking about David but I'm talking about government spending. You don't seem to have a problem with the billions of dollars invested in infrastructure for roads for automobiles, that pedestrians are killed on every year and contribute to global climate change. You...

Maybe, I also vote for better infrastructure so those like him can accept the risks and ride on paths designed for them and those speeds. I still say ebikes going that fast are always better because it’s taking automobiles off the road. i do think some folks take advantage of the lax laws here...

its across the board, no end in site. Luckily i have my ebike in my grubby mits, but I feel for those of you who have ordered and are waiting or wanting to order.

the question I would have is why not full face? With ebikes you are able to sustain higher speeds for longer, might as well be protected at a higher level as well.

there are plenty. this site is good for overviews of what the bike actually looks like next to a person and they can call out certain things. There are typically plenty of reviews on youtube that you can contrast with to get a different point of view.

I love how it's morphed away from the general premise - most countries are automobile centric and most issues are because of poor design and lack of infrastructure to some banal goal post moving claim about sustained average speed lol(not what I said at all) People can bike faster than 20 MPG...

People act like you can get to 20+ MPH on an analog bike right now lol. Nobody is mandating classes for them, with a lightweight carbon bike and an average rider, you could probably do 25-30 MPH! I agree 3 classes can be confusing, since Europe adopted standards to deal with a bigger mobility...

If you bump into another person , probably not going to be a casualty. Do that same activity in a murder box and different story. It’s not even a question - more people die from cars and people than just people. This idea that drivers were at some point attentive is make believe.