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i think the varied efficiency of the motor (let's call it 70-80%) and the inability to measure this property directly make it difficult to base any predictions or observations on mechanical motor power...

ok, i have no idea how i achieved that u shaped result! what the heck! going back to the data, if you consider support factor as the inverse - rider power / motor power, it's actually linear. a very simple first degree equation can go from ease and rider power to motor power - motorPower =...

so, if we believe these electrical power values are fairly typical and repeatable, AND we believe specialized's mechanical power chart... we can combine the two and get a chart of efficiency : it's lower than we might have estimated until we get to 850rpm. mech power values based on the...

from the "03 - Turbo Vado SL 2" page at https://support.specialized.com/kb/sp_en-us/content/ECV3-6142/03-Turbo-Vado-SL-2-Turbo-SL-System#MotorTuneEasePower essentially we have 13 different values of required rider power for full motor support at 80rpm with varying ease xx/100. you could argue...

here's what i think is happening. when specialized changed to "ease" from "assist" they changed one very significant thing - the rider/motor power ratio for any given "ease." i strongly believe the relationship was linear on the SL 1 motors with the mission control system and associated era...

i also have to say … realizing how much more powerful this bike is than my creo was, i’m kind of wondering if the ideal replacement for my commuter would actually be a vado SL2 4, with the drivetrain replaced by an electronically shifted rohloff and veer belt kit! a fairly light 320w mid-drive...

i think testing a fairly powerful bike like the SL2 with a range of E from 40 to 100 will likely bump up against the edge cases of speed and rider power without a little gravity thrown in the mix. a steady hill is a consistent known load unlike the mystical vagaries of aero drag at > 20mph...

I’ll believe that when I see it documented on a long-ish steady state effort - preferably a shallow climb - at similar cadences across a few different E And Pr. nothing in my experience with the SL1 suggested it was ever as far off from the simple model as that would be. it would also...

according to the 40/100 chart you posted, the average Pm/Pr between 50 and 200 watts Pr is 1.5. 1.2x after efficiency. not too far off from "2.7x you x 40%" which would be 1.08x how many samples do you have for the 40/100 where cadence > 60 and power > 50 and < 200 or so? ideally there's 5 min...

ok, this starts to explain things. toss all the values where Pr is < 50 or > 200, they’re likely not steady state values in this sample set and there is enough delay in the motor starting and stopping that the values on the edges of transitions are just noise. i’m betting it’s much closer to...

nice the 1.6x is a bit higher than you’d expect 40% ease to deliver on an SL2, and it’s quite linear. “2.7x you” at 100% ought to be more like 1.1x you at 40%, but you’re seeing 1.6x. if the numbers are electrical, that’s really 1.3 and not so far off.

remind me again if we know definitively whether these values are electrical input to the motor or (estimated) mechanical output?

it’s interesting, and seems to suggest that the assist factor changes for a given ease when the max support changes. i never observed that in quite a lot of rides on my SL1, they were two very clearly separate parameters. specialized’s range calculators of the time also used pretty simple logic...

definitely get some miles on it before thinking too much about upgrades! the 12 speed nx cassette (11-50) fits a standard shimano freehub, ought to be plug and play. heavy piece but solid and a great range. its around $90. chainrings are the same between 11 and 12 in this case, lots to choose...

those sunrace cassettes are not great. very heavy and lacking the sophisticated ramping of the sram or shimano stuff. personally i’d go with one of the AXS upgrade kits, reasonably priced and no more futzing with the cable, the cable getting stretched or worn or frayed. game changer for me. not...

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please for the love of god .. it's PEDAL :D

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2026-02-06/why-does-tesla-lose-to-this-chinese-ev-giant-in-almost-every-market https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj9rjwpvmpzo https://www.idc.com/resource-center/blog/inflection-point-for-electric-vehicles/...

untrue, and patently so. both globally and in china.

it makes more sense that way. you might need to try pedaling at 600+ watts just to make sure there isn’t some rounding going on. my recollection was similar to jeremy’s that at 5/10 ease settings the motor did not work very well.