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I certainly did not suggest that. I just voice my support for HR727 that a compliant LSEB is just the equivalent of a bike for use regulations by the states. No product sold or used in the US (or anywhere else for that matter) is without some regulations. I have no idea if you were just...

Let me point out some things that may convince you. All ebike / LSEB riders would benefit from just dumping 3-class legislation and accepting HR727 LSEB as a bike which is what was intended. Something everyone must keep in mind is that the feds control what is compliant for 1st sale and this...

I had a conference call with the CPSC on the federal definition of a "low speed electric bicycle" (LSEB) and the state 3-class "ebike" legislation. In my opinion it was crystal clear that the 3-class legislation was an interstate commerce violation, especially given the Preemptive Clause in...

Just so you know HR727 passed one vote short of full congressional (house and senate) consensus. There is one risk of not riding a non-compliant ebike on public infrastructure and that is if you hit and hurt someone you could be sued and loose a lot as it would be the equivalent of driving a...

I think interest is increasing given that the LEVA is pushing to go away from their 2-class system and add allowance for throttles. They want one legal ebike to 50kph that allows them to be effective transportation. We are also seeing how it's not going to be possible to enforce the 3-classes...

I believe the "machinations of it's creation" do matter because People for Bikes claimed the reasons they promoted the 3-class system was for safety and clarity and neither were true. I just want riders to know that the 3-class state legislation pushed by People for Bikes was a lobby money...

People for Bikes should have known that pushing their multi-class system would just open the door to multi-mode programming such that it would be impossible to enforce the poorly conceived system (not that they cared because they just wanted the lobby money). Sadly many on this forum support the...

Are you still going after anyone that questions the merits of the 3 class regulations? Are you aware that LEVA is petitioning the EU to adopt a 50kph max assist speed for ebikes and allow them to be ridden anywhere a bike is allowed. I also think they are questioning the "technology neutrality"...

You mention of this being settled / challenged in court is likely the only way the power issue and differences between the federal Low Speed Electric Bicycle definition and the 3-class ebike definitions gets resolved. The classes are actually interstate commerce violations but the CPSC will not...

The enforcement by "stickers" is one of the reason I am so negative towards the 3-class regulatory system pushed by People for Bikes. They were too focused on getting the auto industry lobby money that they failed to really comprehend how bad the regulatory draft they were likely provided was...

No one seems to understand that the 750W in HR727 is a "rating" not a max power specification for the motor or drive system. Motors do not have a max power per say so EVERYONE claiming it's a limit is simply not technical. If interested in understanding why thinking 750W is a power limit is...

I think the power proves irresitible when trying to maintain commute speeds going up a hill that is more than say 5% slope. None of the 250W EU spec'd motors can sustain anything close to 20mph without a huge effort from the rider which impacts avg speed and that matters when using an ebike for...

No idea what you are saying but if you are doing 110kph on you Emmo it's not a compliant ebike in Canada or the US. Probably one of those "off-road" electric dirt bikes with pedals that exploit a loophole when ridden on public infrastructure. Be aware that if you do end up hitting someone on a...

3-class legislation was promoted by People for Bikes to California first - California did not draft that legislation text (most like a Bosch executive provided it to People for Bikes for many reasons I have brought up in other threads). It is simply not good legislation and it's not good for the...

Most MUP have a 15mph speed limit so I'm confused how a 20mph assist cut-off on a Class 1 ebike ensure safe compliance. I rode over 12,000 miles in 2 years on an ebike and when on a MUP or sidewalk not once have I experienced some crazy fast biker flying thru pedestrians and putting anyone in...

They were formed with the power and responsibility to regulate interstate commerce as well (everyone should take the time to read their history). The problem is they have been neutered by corporations wanting to do was they please and they seem to ignore interstate commerce violations. For...

How many ebikes on a trail would it take to do what the recent storm did in a few hours in Yellowstone? Pretty good proof that erosion from storms should be a far greater trail damage concern than ebikes.

Did I say anything about People for Bikes in this thread? I can only suggest that you ask People for Bikes to comment on HR727 and their 3-class legislation to get a feel if there efforts were pro-bike or pro-auto. I'm suggesting you be the judge but they should be willing to discuss this ...

I rode an ebike over 6,000 miles one year and the few times I had any close call with a pedestrian it was because they were not paying attention. I never hit them as like you said it was my responsibility to avoid them but I would ring a bell they didn't hear (some had head phones on) and it a...

Those are NOT legal / compliant LSEBs per HR727 (those breaking the law should not impact what is good legislation). It could be argued they are compliant to the Class 3 definition since there is not power limit stated above 20mph so long as the rider is pedaling. I know some claim there is...