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Did I say anything about People for Bikes in this thread? I can only suggest that you ask People for Bikes to comment on HR727 and their 3-class legislation to get a feel if there efforts were pro-bike or pro-auto. I'm suggesting you be the judge but they should be willing to discuss this ...

I rode an ebike over 6,000 miles one year and the few times I had any close call with a pedestrian it was because they were not paying attention. I never hit them as like you said it was my responsibility to avoid them but I would ring a bell they didn't hear (some had head phones on) and it a...

Those are NOT legal / compliant LSEBs per HR727 (those breaking the law should not impact what is good legislation). It could be argued they are compliant to the Class 3 definition since there is not power limit stated above 20mph so long as the rider is pedaling. I know some claim there is...

I was just talking with a guy that purchased a $10,000+ Reise and Mueller ebike and he said his class 3 sticker fell off in 3 weeks. He said he just rides it everywhere bikes are allowed and was on a 3,4000 mile trip across the country to raise money for a cause. The class system is not...

There have always been some accidents between cyclists and pedestrians but most of the time it's the pedestrians' fault for not paying attention. The issue will be if the ebike is compliant (this is where the difference between HR727 compliance and 3-class compliance will be a big deal and...

I have always said there should be no legal difference between a throttle assist and a pedal assist because it would so easy to create a throttle assist ebike that required a pedal rotation every say 10 seconds to keep the throttle working and that could easily be defined as pedal assist system...

You will get some backlash from some on this forum that will make false claims on how the only reason they have trail access is because of 3-class and that a 20mph assist limit makes sense to keep us all safe even though any bike going down just a 5% slope will 30mph without the rider pedaling...

Hashed over but there are still a those on this forum that defend the 3-class system regardless of how bad it is vs an LSEB as a bike as defined in HR727. d3drturner is dead right about path speed limits as being the correct way to address speed and not the brain dead assist limits promoted by...

"if they adversely impact park resources or other visitors" is kind of key in this but my guess is the superintendents will base decisions exclusively on their subjective view of ebikes as "motor vehicles" or just another type of "bike."

Considering that all trails are essentially "damage" to the environment what do they expect the impact will be from ebikes. What is typically ignore in all these studies is the impact or erosion after the vegetation is worn away on any trail / path. When I use to volunteer to do train...

What I find very troubling is that People for Bikes along with Larry PIzzi and Claudia Wasko seemingly have set their goal to have the poorly conceived 3-class system adopted at the federal level. It's a poorly thought out system that threw in a class for throttles because the EU didn't allow...

Ebikes are the most efficient means for a human to go from point A to B ever - more efficient than walking or riding a non-ebike when food is considered, more efficient than a fully loaded passenger train, If allowing the assist to help riders maintain a reasonably safe effective transportation...

Isn't Europe reviewing this "illegal" status on ebike assist systems? Technology provides a lot of ways to grey the line between what is a throttle-assist and a Pedal-assist solution. The problem really is the lack of brain grey matter of EU legislators to understand technology.

So long as some want to cling to the concept that an compliant "low speed electric bicycle" (as defined by HR727 which passed one vote short of congressional consensus in 2002 defining that they are bicycles and not motorized vehicles) is a motorized vehicle this brain-dead debate will continue...

In my opinion torque sensors are not a good value add on ebikes, expecially DIY kits. The programming can never really provide the level of assist any rider wants at all times while the simple throttle does. In fact I think the best kits come with a moped-like controller that doesn't have sensor...

There is lies the issue. The gear ratio to optimize for the rider and the motor are never the same. The motor would perform best with a small front cog and large diamter rear chain ring so the motor can spin fast and the output torque is magnified. Becasue the drive trail components tend to not...

Some roadies like the ride fast but they know when / where that it's safe to do that. Bikers know that if they have an accident they are likely going to suffer the consequences of poor judgement or excessive speed. All those risk examples are astute. Sadly there are those that support the...

Yes. Speed limits on MUPs makes far better sense than legislating assist cut-offs on the product itself but you have to remember the auto industry didn't want ebikes to get too many people out of cars, so neutering them to 15mph was put in place in Europe. That is exactly what People for Bikes...

I had a documented call with the CPSC on the "low speed electric bicycle" (LSEB) defined by federal bill HR727 (passed 1 vote short of congressional consensus which are ALL state representatives). During that call they made it crystal clear that they view LSEBs and the ebikes defined by 3-class...

The federal definition was fine and was in place in 2002. When ebikes began to get popular in 2012-2014 People for Bikes accepted lobby money (mostly about protecting auto and oil) to push the non-sensical 3-class system. It's funny they claim it's "the best they could find" but they never even...