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I've never said it like that at all. I've explained why I feel HR727 is a better regulation definition (keep in mind it was pretty much in place in all 50 states for 12+ years). You seem to think 3-class is better because it's easier for politicians to understand an assist speed cut-off than...

A note: I think if you care about an idea or position you should be willing to engage and even challenge it yourself continuously. Obviously I have put my opinion on the 3-class legislation out there and I think it's not just bad but was created with negative intent on the adoption of ebikes for...

Yea. An bikes have been present for well over a century and states have long standing traffic laws that apply to the USE of bikes (these USE laws also apply to ebikes regardless of the power level but they still have to be compliant to HR727 to be sold in the US). Lots of people imply that...

Ok. Without HR727 pulling the regulation purview of ebikes from the NHTSA there could be no 3-class legislation and yet some seem to the 3 definitions to supersede the definition in HR727. Simply put it is far more important than the 3-class system promoted by People for Bikes (I'm not anti PFB...

JR has made HR727 out to be only intended to help Dr. Currie's ebike business but he doesn't seem to want to comment on the intent of the largest car parts producer putting lobby money to get class systems passed in Europe and the US. If not for HR727 we would likely have the same 15mph assist...

One of the reasons I said he had a late life epiphany was because of his defense industry background (not exactly an industry known for altruistic en-devours). He certainly used his political capital to pull ebikes away from the NHTSA by a nearly unanimous congressional vote. Certainly it...

Did you see the question mark at the end of my sentence????? I do not think that HR727 only benefited his company because it allowed ebikes to not be considered motor vehicles regulated by the NHTSA (I highlighted some of the requirements that were removed).

Does it determine pedaling or just wheel rotation? You mentioned it on quick starts but then neither is happening from a stop so maybe clarify.

While the weight is not a significant factor on level ground it is a constraint that does have an impact. In 2002, 170lbs seems to have been the average adult weight but we in the US keep getting fatter so maybe it should have been future looking. I think something else that just amazes me is...

You need to keep in mind that the NHTSA did not want to release regulatory purview if a Low Speed Electric Bicycle could go faster than 20mph. This was a motor only limit. Dr. Currie knew that a 750W motor rating was NOT actually a drive system power limit but he understood power needed to be...

Consider that Dr. Currie was a highly paid CEO of two large companies and had enough money to donate $25 million to USC. It was like he had a late life epiphany to do something a bit different (Larry Pizzi said that Dr. Currie was very excited about the future potential of ebikes ... I think he...

So removing the requirement for blinkers, break lights, speedometer, etc. from a low speed electric bicycle was only intended to benefit his company? That is simply wrong. That simplification and pulling the legal purview from the NHTSA provided the regulatory foundation that has helped the...

Dr. Currie was hoping to promote and sell a "LSEB" but his lobby efforts were to get the purview of LSEBs away from the NHTSA to the CPSC. After years he was successful but the NHTSA did not want "motor alone" speeds above 20mph so Currie wrote the definition in a creative way such that the...

This is the best way to look at this. An LSEB is a bike and local officials are tasked with making decisions where they can be used but they are not tasked with sub dividing what is a compliant LSEB (or in reality an ebike is). They own USE which is where, when, age, registrations, etc. but not...

I had a conference call with the CPSC and they avoid stepping into this debate by saying that an "LSEB" as defined by HR727 is not the same as what the states are defining as an ebike or an ebike per the 1-3 classes. I have talked with the lawyer that worked with Dr. Currie for 6 years to get...

We control motor vehicle speeds with speeds limits, not limiting the speed of the vehicle to the lowest common denominator. LEVA has proposed a one size assist limit of 50kph (around 30mph) for all ebikes which seems to me to make great sense given we need more people out of cars and most...

State and local jurisdictions CAN NOT deny MTBs on the road but they can deny ALL bikes access. In other words, the feds define what the product is (in this case a bike, which a LSEB is) and if a bike is allowed on that trails or infrastructure all bikes are (road, trail, unicycle, recumbents...

Can someone tell me if all the lower 5 gears are an underdrive ratio such that the only way to have high speeds (say 20mph) with reasonable cadence is to have a small rear chain/belt sprocket and a larger front?

The 3x3 still can not take 1:1 full torque from the motor + rider according to the peak torque rating. A 200lb rider standing on the cranks at horizontal produces about 160Nm to add to the Ultra's 160nM so total torque exceeds all IGH torque ratings if the drive ratio is not increased for speed...