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Here's a fact .... for over 12 years before 3-class started passing in some states, HR727 federal definition established what was a legal ebike to be sold in all 50 states and ridden legally as any other bike (it is still the sole regulatory standard for what is legal to sell and use in some...

It's not a straw man argument when some in this forum are arguing that it's just not safe for any ebike to assist past 20mph. Most of those saying that work in the auto industry - where do you think the European and 3-class legislation in the US came from. Many will say the Class definitions...

It does matter because most bike riders know when to slow down when encountering pedestrians. We don't have the same speed limit going thru a city as we do on the interstate but hey nice try if you are trying to protect the auto industry by keeping ebikes limited to just recreation speeds. If...

Your argument here totally ignores have fast a non-assist bike can go down hill. Why not suggest that we have auto-brakes that prevent fast speeds down inclines if the user group argument is robust.

So I see you are still arguing that assist speeds for ebikes should probably be 20mph (or maybe 15mph like in Europe). We all know that higher speeds on interstate highways increased the risks of serious injuries or death but if we limit car speeds to 20mph most people would not buy or use them...

Most bike riders ride at the speed they feel safe at given their experience, conditioning, and the conditions. We should not set the assist limits based on the lowest common denominator riders. The vast majority of riders go well over 20mph when going down hill and that is almost always ignored...

There was a huge Europe study done that indicated the vast majority of riders obtained speeds of 45kph / 28mph going down long inclines. Now what everyone does is claim that doesn't count because it's only downhill that the average rider can do that but that is just not even a rational response...

The CPSC has clarified that the 3-class "ebikes" are not the same as a federal compliant "LSEB" per HR727. What that means is that no one should buy a 3-class ebike and demand an LSEB per the federal definition that can be ridden as a bike anywhere where bikes are permitted.

I went down on an ice coated wooden bridge doing about 22mph on my ebike. Before hitting the ground my head hit a metal pole and I fractured 3 cervical vertebrae (C6 was an unstable fracture that could have crippled me). I was wearing a ski helmet that probably saved my life. It happened in an...

It's 32kph which is 20mph. Few understand that in the USA the CPSC recently declared LSEBs as defined federally in HR727 are not the same as ebikes per 3-class legislation. In other words there is not assist limit per the federal definition as it limits power to what can sustain a 170lb rider...

I'm just wanting some feedback from ebike riders if they would prefer a rear IGH / derailleur to have a silent free wheel or one that clicks as is standard in the industry.

One of the reasons why ebikes could become a popular transportation solution is because they can supplement a car without having additional license and registration costs. That is very very important because if they don't save someone money overall people will just continue to get in their...

Lawyers have no clue about anything technical like this but you are correct that this could be an issue in an injury trial which is why riders should understand what a motor rating is vs a drive system peak power.

You are technically correct but few people understand "less than." In reality the ebikes rated at 750W could be reported to the CPSC as non-compliant. Someone wanting to cause some problems for these companies will eventually do that so they should just change their rating to 749.99W to be...

You have to keep in mind that the 20mph limit via motor alone came from NHTSA. They were not going to release the regulatory purview of ebikes if they could go faster than 20mph motor alone. Dr. Currie didn't want an assist limit set at 20mph so he set constraints for power (170lbs, level...

Never wrote that. I said that the assist to sustain 20mph can continue past 20mph even on a throttle bike so long as the additional speed is achieved by the rider adding power. This is not complicated by everyone wants to make it that way. Why is a 28mph speed pedelec compliant per HR727...

HR727 passed one vote short of congressional consensus. Spare me that it's my own want. In Colorado only 4 state representives were involved with passing 3-class and one of them admitted to me it was 100% done to get Haibike to move their sales head quarters to Denver. No citizens were asked...

Neither of these have I ever said yet you literally put the statements in quotes. Very trollesh. I have said that if a compliant LSEB is defined and USE regulated as a bike the regulation are much easier to understand and actually enforce. I do prefer HR727 over the 3-class system and I do...

The reason why some view trail access as difficult is because local trail managers have never really educated themselves about ebikes. They view an ebike with a throttle as the same as a motorcycle. It would be simple to design a peddle assist ebike that provided full power from the start as a...

The motor power definitions are the same and are a "rating" not a peak power limit...few seem to understand motor power ratings and it's a subject all it's own. The is not throttle cut-off stated in HR727 so you must not understand or have read HR727. The power can continue so long as limited...