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Sometimes you just have to try. Has anyone tried this one? If I was riding in snow and salt I may have given it a try. https://silca.cc/products/synergetic-wet-lube Their wax is highly regarded hence this wet lube may also be good.

Oh tandem, idk tandem may be a pain. I thought you were talking about your trek. Is this your experience or a quote from the net? If it isn't yours there are too many variables to draw a conclusion. What kind of wax did this person use? Moreover Isn't Portland warmer than BC? Do you have to...

It should work at 35, it is not that bad. Don't judge before trying it out. For lower temperatures usually it is advised to run the chain several turns after putting it on inside before going out. What do you think would be a pain?

Foofer, I rode my waxed chain under rain and it held up well. Why don't you give it a try? I think you may like it a lot. I also commuted during winter on the east cost under snow, salt and heavy rain. RnR extreme was extremely disappointing. Although chain looked clean It was lasting 20 miles...

Why don't you take your own advice and stop? You are the one who started preaching and keep on doing it while asking to stop? I literally recorded and gave the chain wear result in high precision. What have you done again? Nothing. At the rate my chains are wearing I will probably see well...

You are not measuring anything. It seems all you do is to use RnR you are happy so you some here claiming that it has to be the best method and waxing is unnecessary. Oh and you like wiping your chain in the park understandable since when applying rnr while spinning the chain it splashes gunk...

I also saw that some companies offer M610, is this the new version of m600? Doe anybody know major differences?

You haven't demonstrated anything, You are just bashing a method that you have never tried. I didn't see anything special in the other formulae, a friend I ride with uses gold, I know his chains and his results are similar. Longevity of gold seems a bit better but still it is not close to wax...

I like your bikes and respect your experience. That being said I find what you say disrespectful. I have already provided my experience in detail and I have logged in the data on several chains, several thousand miles. I am a scientist so I try to be careful when I am making claims etc. If you...

Let me start by this, if you are finding it ridiculous then you haven't given it a try. Apart from the initial cleaning stage it is much easier than dealing with normal lubes. Let me summarize the reasons: 1. It is much much cleaner. No gunk, rollers always roll freely even after 200 miles, no...

i meant middle part of the outer plate when I used the term bridge. KMC also use the term for that area.

Oh that part is not my personal experience(that is why I used the word "seems") since my chains are still in great condition even after 4k miles(they are not even %0.2). I have seen several online blogs using wax or wax based lubes like squirt with photos of their chains. I think...

which one? Bushings being the main source of wear in chains? That is common knowledge. But in my case I logged the miles and wear on my chains. I disassembled the worn chains and checked the bushing widths with a digital caliper so I can also confirm it first hand. You can also google and...

what do you mean ?

The main wear occurs on bushings which results in elognation of the chain the wear on the other parts of the chain is insignificant. The dry lubricant that penetrates all the way to bushings + wax significantly reduce this wear. These dry lubricants stick to metal very well and seems to fill...

Additives probably have a significant impact on longevity and chain life. At one point I asked someone who tried both. His experience was the wax itself will last around half the time (180-200 miles vs 90-100 miles). Wax is great at repelling dirt but inside the rollers added dry lubricants...

Nice to see that people are giving wax a go. As additive I used PTFE and WS2. My dosage for WS2 is half of PTFE (1oz per pound of wax), however I think once can do with less like 3/4oz per pound. WS2 seems to work even better, slightly quieter and lasts a bit longer than ptfe. It darkens the...

What is the problem? you broke the chain and your quick link also opened hence you have two pieces of chain now?

Ah that is good to know. It looks like a nice frame and if they have ironed out the weaknesses than I can look at it favorably. Is it water/splash resistant? How is the durability so far? And the noise? I really like the programming capability and possibility of servicing it myself.

This bike gets my attention. While I am looking for a lightweight mtb if I go for a regular weight emtb I may think about this one. A couple of questions: 1. I am interested in the upgraded controller but not interested in the extra power. Just interested in an efficient foc controller with a...