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Yes Yes .... Far too many recreational trail / mtn. bikers keep throwing out opinions on ebike performance for urban use that they know nothing about. Many have said they feel their trail access could be taken away if the 3-class system was tossed out (HR727 intent was to define a Low Speed...

Obviously, I'm pretty passionate on the power/speed and regulatory aspects of ebikes. I don't have $millions$ to push regulatory capture like People for Bikes did to get the 3 class system adopted in so many states. I believe they had a hidden agenda while mine is simple and totally out in the...

I'm not endorsing anything. I'm just pointing out the huge impact hills have on top bike speed. Everyone seems so freaked out about ebikes assisting beyond 20mph when a 6% hill results in a coasting speed of 30mph. Just a fact that is totally ignored. Seems to me that limiting ebike assist speed...

The fact is that a 6% downhill grade will result in a coasting speed of 30mph on a mtn bike and a bit faster on a road bike with ZERO rider pedaling. That is a fairly common hill grade in most cities so bikers do coast down those hills and hit a top speed around 30mph unless you are suggesting...

You seem to imply that 20mph is "fast enough" going down a hill on a bike. Do you understand that if that hill is over a 3 percent downhill grade that most riders would have to be braking the entire time down that hill to not go faster than 20mph. A 6 percent downhill grade results in speed...

That study result is real - there was a cumulative distribution of the top speed hit by riders on non-bikes on typical rides. On downhills the top speed of the majority (like over 95%) was around 28mph. It was not an average speed, just the top speed. If you just simulate what a long 6 percent...

Yes. I agree. The funny thing is how many commenting in this forum seem to think that 750W is just too much power to be a bicycle. That power is best utilized to increase the average speed up hills and not about increasing the top speed riders to. There is one fact that many people ignore - a...

NO NO. In 2002 congress passed HR727 one vote short of full consensus that a LSEB with 750W rated motor (power limited above 20mph) was same as a bike. We can sit here on EBR and debate when motor power goes from being OK to be a bike to when it's high enough to be considered a moped /...

While 250W EU spec motors is "good enough" for recreational / mtn ebikers it simply is not adequate for an effective urban mobility solution. If an ebike is to have enough merit to get people out of a car for some trips / commutes from home they need to be able to average faster speeds like...

Why is it that so many think they should decide if someone with a disability should be allowed to ride an ebike? Some may just have knee issue so they can't put a lot of power into the cranks and need a throttle. So why is it a problem that a 750W 20MPH throttle-assist ebike can ride where a...

I know PIM / Polaris ebikes had a really nice thumb throttle but they are no longer producing ebikes. It was sensitive and had just enough resistance to make if very responsive at the same time. It's the best I've tried. I like grip throttles too but they make the grips a larger diameter which...

Not really sure how an ebike not being powered is different than a bike. I have always questioned the logic of class 1 and 2 being considered different for trail use considering how the drive system tech can really gray the distinction of what a PAS and throttle-assist ebike is. Regardless...

Were they riding compliant ebikes?

How does someone know if the ebike is turned on?

There in lies the problem - there is no reason whatsoever for a compliant HR727 LSEB to be treated as anything but a bike nationally (it passed just one vote short of congressional consensus). I know some argue that each trail is different ... then set speed limits on all bikes using those...

Instead of pushing the nonsensical 3-class system People for Bikes should have just ensured that all states cleaned up their "use regulations" to allow a compliant LSEB to be used as a bike which is what was intended by HR727. Sadly the one time bike advocacy group became an industry lobby...

The federal definition in HR727 defines a compliant "low speed electric bicycle" as a subcategory of bicycle...specifically saying they are not to be considered motor vehicles. I would have rode that day on my compliant LSEB as someone needs to push this. HR727 passed congressional voting one...

I have posted a lot of regulatory posts on EBR so I'm well known on this forum for supporting the federal HR727 definition of a "low speed electric bicycle" as a bike. It's seems like a strange specification / definition but the constraints set a power limit above 20mph that allowed a universal...

The class system does not make it clear if a bike can have multiple program class modes so I would assume that a Class 3 ebike with programming to enable a class 1 or 2 mode as compliant to ride in NY. Eventually the multi-mode issue will end up in court so until then some brands are going to...

Buy a Sondors model with the Bafang M620 / Ultra. Regardless that the 250W EU mid-drives are good for mtn bikes if you plan to use the bike for transportation you will learn to desire the higher power the US regulations allow.