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Yes that answers a question of beyond the online journalists hype how many people are actually buying or want to buy them? Surprise for me is how Trek is not really on anyone's want list. For such a big company. Also Cannondale didn't even make that list. But I suppose wanting a bike as opposed...

I'm keeping an eye on eBay here in Uk for used Vado SLs, as the prices are dropping and if I see a bargain for around £800 (currently most upwards £1,000 - £1600) I might just buy as a 'parts bin' back up - a lot don't seem to have had many miles on them, so I'd get a spare battery, motor, TCU...

Legend.

Thanks but no thanks, I've seen that motor and looks good, but I love the Vaya for the smooth and springy steel ride & it's such a lovely bike I want to keep it pure I suppose. Plus it's a target to get fitter with my ebike so I can ride it more! I have looked at kit motors for another analogue...

Here's a link to the survey of 15,498 EMTB riders: https://ebike-mtb.com/en/e-mtb-reader-survey-2025/ Some headline stats - average age of survey contributors is 54, 95% are men, 43% have more than 5 years riding experience. Bosch by leaps and bounds most popular motors. Interesting read.

Horses for courses Stefan. Where you live and mostly ride is flat as a pancake. So what if occasionally you go to somewhere with hills? You have more than 1 bike. I have a beautiful Salsa Vaya without a motor, so I either have to be super fit to ride on the steep hills here or I put in the car...

Typical. Mind you think it was also the guardian that reported that coffee is now yet again very good for you with 3 cups providing maximum protection from all kinds of getting older ailments. It's like top trumps this.

Going to try them out in next few weeks, my local mechanic swears by them.

Again, I don't particularly like Mahle hub motors, or a better way to put it is I don't use them because of the 20%+ hills my daily rides take me over. But what I said was that Mahle sell bucket loads of hub motors- & to some very happy customers. I think what is a bit weird about your well...

It's a fact that it's on many models of bikes and is very widely sold. Just look it up. As a long time owner of an Orbea Gain and many YT videos about the Mahle hub motors including building his own range extender he frequently points out the pros & cons. But the fact is Mahle sell a lot of...

. Same with Mahle x20, the system several manufacturers invested heavily in to produce a lemon. One of the most popular & widely sold lightweight systems out there.

It's more complicated than that. There was definitely a Fazua/Trek problem for US customers with warranty fulfilment, that looked not as bad in Europe where warranty replacement ran smoother probably because Fazua is European & local. I suspect Trek was partly at fault directing US customers to...

This was referring to the new mid drive Mahle M40 system not the X35/X20 lightweight hub motors.

Yes Velomotion are very good. I enjoyed their deep dive into the Mahle M40 system. And yes my point about that system and Avinox being heavy was in relation to lightweight systems. They are regarded as 'full fat' systems and in relation to other full fat EMTB systems like Brose or Bosch CX they...

Yes a mud flap. Very handy and a must for the flooded roads this time of year. As Base said a Berlin company Fahrer - I think they are composed of workshops disabled craftspeople who make small bike items like this. It's made from tarpaulin.

Got out for a couple of hours this afternoon in the brittle sunshine post Storm Goretti (sounds like an 80s Columbus steel tubed Italian thoroughbred with chromed lugs) and before the buckets of rain due tomorrow. My 5 year old battery drained faster than I expected, From 90% down to 13% in 20...

The Avinox and Mahle M40 are both big beasts of motors so the systems will be heavier, Mahle is very new so not many brands yet and all EMTBs. Avinox has some gravel bike take up, but small brands as of yet. Orbea use the Shimano EP8 in their new gravel bike Denna, it's good on low cadences...

Gordon Ramsey is a prick, basically.

Beautiful little film about the visit of the legendary Fausto Coppi to London at the height of his fame in the 1950s. Fascinating glimpse into cycling & racing back then. Very well put together.

My favourite is good old Sheldon Brown's (RIP) gear inch calculator. Legend of a bike wizard that he was. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gear-calc.html