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  1. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    The solution I'd like to see is to just force companies to lock down the bikes more. Bosch/Yamaha/Shimano/Etc all manage it fine. None of this "its sold with a legal limit but 20 seconds in a menu turns all that off" crap. If the bike is easily changed to ride outside class 1/2/3, company is...
  2. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    The thing is, ebikes may be increasingly popular for alternative transportation (i.e. everything that isn't a motor vehicle) but that entire category is small potatoes compared to the general population of commuters. If the plan to battle this is a groundswell of regular voters, I think you'll...
  3. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    Mr Coffee nailed it. The problem is that for every grandma who wants a big power bike to carry groceries better, theres 1000 people who want the big power bike to ride 30+mph in bike lanes and on sidewalks. Sucks, but the reality is that the legal landscape is going to focus on the latter and...
  4. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    Those are certainly words.
  5. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    Yeah, I see a lot of those. The best part is when they get confronted for their dickishness they instantly fall back on "its an ebike, its legal, you can't tell me I can't ride it here neener neener". And once out of earshot they laugh about how they know they aren't but get away with it...
  6. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    I kinda doubt anyone intends on going after people riding bosch mid-drives and the like. The problem is that lots of companies straight up ignore any and all power limits, and you get companies selling bikes with thousands of watts of potential power and then wink-wink-nudge-nudge pretending...
  7. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    Power to climb hills is largely a question of how fast you expect to go. A 250 pound rider can get up a 20% grade with <150w if they are willing to go 4mph (and have proper gearing to spin that slowly). I climb 10-15% hills all the time on my non-electric, and I'm neither lightweight or super...
  8. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    Dunno man, 30mph is extremely fast unassisted without a downhill or massive tailwind. Its doable, for short distances, by very fit cyclists, but absolutely nobody is sustaining that for long. We don't need to resort to online calculators to figure out whats normal for humans, we can just look...
  9. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    The charitable explanation is they wanted a bludgeon to wield against the most problematic manufacturers thats harder to wiggle out of. The uncharitable (and more likely) explanation is they didn't really know what they were doing. Its frustrating as an ebike rider, but we (collectively)...
  10. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    The thing that sucks is that if ebikes had largely adhered to the assist and throttle limits already set out in the law, motor power would be largely a non-issue. But its just become another thing that the industry completely ignores. Sucks because IMO a bike that has 1500w peak but caps at...
  11. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    I also expect to see more of this in the future: https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2024/12/31/super73-sued-over-legality-its-e-bikes-california
  12. jabberwocky

    Throttles and California

    We can thank all the "I want a motorcycle but don't want to have to bother with registration/insurance/safety regs and also want to ride it on ped/bike infra" crowd for this. Probably a harbinger of whats to come in a lot of other states/localities. From where I sit, pretty much everyone...
  13. jabberwocky

    Dual motor; full suspension; semi-recumbent MeetOneTrike with 180nm torque @ 25 mph

    211 lbs, apparently. :oops: Thats impressive! Basically a golf kart built with bike components.
  14. jabberwocky

    Budget helmet?

    Generally bike helmets all adhere to the same safety standard. So a cheapie from Walmart is just as "safe" as an expensive helmet from the bike shop. There are some additional things that nicer helmets incorporate (like MIPS on mountainbike helmets over the past 10 years) but mainly nicer...
  15. jabberwocky

    Outfitting a drop-bar ebike for recreational use

    A followup thought is to put the throttle on the flats near the stem, and add inline cyclocross levers so you have brakes while on the flats. You could put it on the flats without the levers, I guess, but I would not personally want to have a throttle in a place where I need to move my hands to...
  16. jabberwocky

    Outfitting a drop-bar ebike for recreational use

    Really unusual to run a throttle on a drop bar, even a conversion, for reasons gone into in this thread. If you must, I think your only real option is a thumb throttle put somewhere on the drops in a way that your index finger or thumb can get it, but its probably not going to be convenient to...
  17. jabberwocky

    What Do You Do With Your Old Unused Conventional Bikes?

    Sold some of them. Gave a couple away. Still ride some of them. Hanging onto a few that I don't ride anymore but aren't worth much so aren't really worth selling.
  18. jabberwocky

    The Tariff Questions?

    The issue with the The issue with this mentality is that it ignores the fact that its extremely difficult (bordering on impossible) for uneducated labor to legally immigrate to the US in most cases. Its not like these are people who are just too lazy to do some paperwork. Its either work...
  19. jabberwocky

    A quick adventure on reddit, where is my ect, as I would like to forget the experience.

    To each their own, but I've never found much point to suspension on the road. It adds weight, cost and complexity for relatively minor gain, unless your roads are really awful. It also makes the bike feel mushy under spirited riding. I've run full suspension on mountain bikes for 21 years now...
  20. jabberwocky

    Offshore ebike manufacturers to disappear in 2025

    I mean... maybe. But companies like Chris King (and other boutique US parts manufacturers) already run a lot of automated manufacturing. You still need people to load the machines, program them, maintain them and handle packaging and shipping and whatnot. And American labor is expensive...
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