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Sorry for the long post, everyone; that one felt like it was worth unpacking piece by piece, to explain why TLDR: CANBus = bad news for users, bad news for 3rd party maintenance, & bad news for feature development. Why? Vendor lock-in. Parts "secured" against refurbishment, exchange...

Yep: Vendor lock-in, & lower wiring harness cost for complex vehicles with many interconnected electronic modules. Kinda proving my point for me, here: An ebike has none of this multipart complexity. Cluster, accessories & security, are all provided by the display, & there _is_ no...

I'm not recommending a touchscreen interface, I'm merely pointing out that connecting a touchscreen display & cockpit-controls system, to a UART motor-controller, for configuration & controls, is exactly as easy as connecting any other display & cockpit-controls system. Display &...

Untrue. The UART protocol involved is simple, functional, & shared across many component manufacturers. What redundancy? What adaptability? Untrue. The latter are display features having nothing to do with the motor-controller; & anyway the motor-controller is readily programmable & controlled...

💯 Frey has been shipping both UART & CANBus Ultras for a hot minute now (as well as a limited number with 'custom' 60V controller), so I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually follow a strategy similar to Luna's, of fitting aftermarket UART controllers to Bafang's g510 motor cores... 🤞

Makes sense that it may've been done to avoid excess wear. ¿... Especially since some seem to receive their controllers with throttle Mode set to Speed, which makes it respond relative to the difference between one's speed, & throttle position (bigger difference, more throttle). !!! ? That...

And yeah, I'm increasingly burning with curiosity to know, who produced the "custom" 60V@30A UART Ultra controllers for Frey, & who produces the stock UART & CANBus Ultra controllers for Bafang?!? From what I've seen so far, it really doesn't add up as in-house work, unless one branch of Bafang...

Aye, which won't fit inside the case... I wonder whether whatever 60V@30A controller Frey uses on the Beast, fits inside the case either!? (They do, & it does! Beast's is a stock board with (original design spec) 100 V capacitors, swapped in?) Well no, I'm assuming Bafang would want their most...

I want to know what Voltage range it can handle... 54 too low? 72 too high? With aftermarket controllers, Bafang's m620 motor, reputedly handles 70 Volts quite happily? With slightly more Newton-meters of torque per Watt, & less heat buildup per Watt, than at 48 Volts, 60 Volts sounds reeeeally...

Regarding the BESST tool: Where does Bafang get their controllers? (ASI?) Extreme cynicism incoming! I have seen no evidence to date that Bafang has a clue about the controllers in their motors: Their "default config" is essentially not configured (dangerously so!), & some of the controller...

Well, touchscreen & app support, are largely independent of the motor+controller itself: The display & controls use a predefined set of signals for all of the controller's supported functions. Theoretically any device capable of sending a few very basic signals, can command such a motor...

What's the MSRP? ;)

Which should be prime candidates for a controller swap... 🤔 Dangit, for the third time today I wonder exactly what controller is in the Beast, anyway?!? (Edit: Am I to suppose that's probably CAN-Bus too? Maybe I should be cultivating contact with someone at PA-Transformers or ASI?)

I mean, yeah they should at least ride something they're reviewing! I am super tired of people posting raw ride footage with no analysis though. A few shots to show they did a thing, & then a detailed discussion of how two similar ebikes handled that thing differently, would be more than I...

Very good point. Speaking of which, if any reputable reviewers around Denver haven't gotten to ride a Frey AM1000 v5 yet, feel free to contact me.

If you're still taking requests for reviews, I'd love to see one on the new Frey AM1000 v6. Especially comparing it to the AM1000 v5, the QuietKat Jeep, the Bakcou Storm, & other bikes sharing some similar elements. Basically an m620 roundup, please!

I see what you did there. Funny!

With 60V & a 1.4KWh battery, on a custom controller, I'm not sure I'd want to swap in an Archon? Anyone know anything about this controller Frey's using? Sounds like it isn't just a re-capped stock m620 controller, but actually a whole different model?

Hahaha! Yeah I can understand that. I mostly meant that the Frey AM1000 is a good enough value to be worth mentioning right alongside the similarly priced Frey CC (which has a smaller battery than the AM1000). I'd be tempted to squeeze it into a spot on this list (never mind any list ranking...

Seen a somewhat similar looking ebike design, except on a monofork & single-sided swingarm, recently. I know I'm paranoid, but those always worry me!