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Was that a yes or no to the question? Do you know there is a £600 loading on each bike? Yes or no. The bike will not go 23 miles in practical use - that was done on the flat with a lightweight rider at 11mph, see what you get in everyday use - 15 miles I guesstimate. The battery will not...

When they act like children and conduct themselves like children I will treat them like children. Why doI have to put up with this abuse all of the time? Happy to discuss, but when they don't have the answers they resort to personal abuse. I don't think EU funders realise that there is a £600...

Joepah estimated delivery was may rumour is as I guesstimated delivery of wave 1 in august

REPORTS suggest that the first wave of bikes has been pushed back to August 2015 and the second wave to October 2015 - these are unconfirmed reports but there seems to be some substance to them ( source bike.4.all)

Well done to EBR for letting people discuss and express themselves; Endless Sphere has locked their thread indefinitely it seems, maybe June before a decision is reached - there is no new info to discuss, by keeping things vague and using terms such as estimated etc. the Sondors Campaign is...

I just hope Greg Dawson has a watertight contract for his own sake.

@pxpaulx what reply From choate? Sorry am On mobile

Just a sidenote, guy on IGG has just spammed this (mirroring the antics of Choate et al) Marcel Jimenez 2 minutes ago I respectfully requested a video of the eBike in production since Ivars Sondors is working so hard getting the first wave ready to ship in WEEKS!! He’s in China RIGHT NOW!! So...

@JRA stop spoiling this thread with facts!!!

OK so are we now adjudging that the battery charge time to full capacity is and can be 90 minutes, and Sondors has leapfrogged companies like Bosch in terms of innovation and technology? Their massive R&D departments have been doing it all wrong? Did I tell you the first buyer of my ebikes was...

I don't agree - cars? Where would any manufacturer make such misleading claims and not face sanction? When you are talking technical specs there is no grey area. A car does 45 mpg at 62mph/100km/h on the flat or it does not , plus or minus acceptable tolerances. More or less the same with a...

@PowerMe , I agree, that's a fair point, but what is universally acknowledged is that the bike will not perform as advertised - the specs are thoroughly and purposefully misleading.

Are you serious? A guy who goes towed and has to get bailed out by a company that later sues him for £500k? With a default judgment (Thanks Bruce Choate!) for fraud - a real man? PMSL

@Credible Hulk thanks for the post above about chargebacks which ai have copied for others on my FB page, trust you don't mind. On another note, Bruce Choate promoted himself as an expert ebike reviewer who together with Court (Rye) will review the Ivars bike if and when it arrives and I must...

@mike bombardieri, call me a cynic, for this and other reasons I think the legal action by Agency 2.0 may be purposeful, part of "the plan."

It will take just one person to have an accident with the battery, on the bike whatever and the Sondors bike will be finished - on the assumption it ever starts that is - all IMHO. I just wanted to mention the conduct of someone on the IGG comments page, who falsely accuses others of being...

They don't read well because I have 500 characters and am limited to 5 or 6 posts a day - it is up to people to make their own minds up, not for me to direct them to seek refunds one way or another, I have no interest in them doing so.

Oh you mean sabotage by asking questions would-be funders are entitled to? Or sabotage by researching the stated claims and realising they are false and misleading? I get it now, sorry for rocking the boat.

Really it's hard to say what each funder will think. How much risk is $500 + shipping worth? 7,000+ people decided they wanted to take this particular risk on this particular bike, at this particular price point....... .....on the particular performance figures stated..... particular range...

JoePah how do you create the concept of a cheap ebike? What innovation are you funding or development of it? Manufacturing was all in place on Deb 2nd for 12-14k units per month. This is retail without any consumer protection - or did Ivars Sondors invent the cheap ebike with inflated and...