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At the end gravel bike is not a XC MTB hardtail, I would put it one class below in the single trail scala. And I'm not sure how deep I would go into water or rivers with any ebike. If we would have some more rain&water here... :-( Creo/Vado SL/Levo SL might be slightly less sensitive due to the...

Has anyone tried to exchange the Vado SL 4.0 fork? For example for a (26") model with suspension? Is it a tapered fork? Which dimensions? Are there 26" forks of this type? I've last a little overview the last 10 years about dimensions&type of forks and bottom bracktes...

I think you're right that that the motor is in pure numbers not of great help here. We discussed somewhere here, how much power it needs to equal the extra weight (not talking about the bad aerodynamics of the lower tube). Of course this depends on the height meters, only uphill with 20% it's...

I'm a fresh owner of a used VSL 4.0 EQ. Compared to my 2020 Creo Comp Carpon it's quite stiff/uncomfortable (due to several factors). But I like both, the Vado SL for allday use, the Creo for longer and more sportive and offroad tours. If I would have the VSL in XL two years ago and for this...

Same here, going tubeless would be my first recommendation against "natural punctures". In all my (also) 3.5 "offroad years" and maybe 5000 miles tubeless on two gravel bikes and two MTBs (altogether seven wheel sets) I did not have one puncture. But quite some visible holes from thorns. We...

Not in the right order, the lower Vado came today, the upper one 2021, the Creo 2020. At the moment our only bikes apart form two foldable ones for short distance to carry in our small car for vacations.

12x148 ist MTB standard, you find tons of hubs here. 12x110 you find only at "Specilized (SL?) and Focus (Fazua?) bikes, so no standard. But you can convert several better 15x110 standard MTB hubs to 12mm diameter just by changing the end caps. For example DT350/340 nd I think as well 370 hubs...

Yes, the Sunrace cassette is a joke on an expenisve bike like the comp carbon... Also at least 10 teeth instead of 11 in the rear should have been standard from the first Creo and cheapest on, XD is no rocket science from 2022... pbd87, I can only give one like to your post, so here again...

So 46 at the rear wheel works with your derailleur without any changes? But I guess Di2 ist not the same as GRX... I would accept some slight changes or "updates" to my derailleur. But not if I need a new derailleur or other parts in the same price range.

Ok, looks like you already tried Creo and Vado SL, great! If it's enough for your needs, you'll have to judge... If you compare it to a full power ebike (or "overfull" power bikes with 500-800W motors), the assist edrives like SL will always appear much weaker and slower. But if you compare it...

I would like a smaller gear for climbing and switch from 11-42 to 11-46 or 10-46. Has anyone tried 46 teeth in the back on the Creo (Comp Carbon 2020, 1x11, and I think Shimano RX812 GRX Shadow Plus), is this possible?

I think most of the people who know light ebikes like SL bikes also know "normal" (=heavy) ebikes. But everyone feels different on a light ebike and it depends an your needs and your excpectations if you like it or not. It doesn't make much sense to tell you about personal feelings, if you...

I agree to all points of mschwett! As I was near 240 lbs I can say that this is not a problem for the frame of the (carbon) Creo, even not offroad. I don't think that there's a general rule that carbon or alloy is stronger. I had good and bad/strong and weak frames of both materials in my life...

Thank you, yes, I found it yesterday on the Speci Website. Strange that there's still a Shimano S-Works version. Didn't someone here mention that he ordered a 2022 Creo Expert also with 1x12 eTap? But I don't see any Creo on the (german) Website with 1x12 apart from the S-Works SRAM. And who...

Some additonal comments after reading your "Gain thread": - Even if the SL motor sound should disturb you at the beginning, you will soon get used to it. The question is more, how will your friends/other riders without a motor react, will they accept it and if not, can you stand it? But as your...

I don't know much about torque differences of hub and middle motors and I don't give much on the torque values manufacturers provide. But I know the differences between middle and hub motors (apart from the Gain) because of riding several different models of each type for a longer period. And...

Here's my practical thinking: Ride with others and you realize that even 20-30W (that's 10% of the SL power) is enough to let your friends stay behind or to stay among fitter riders. If you use this amount of support all day, you get at least 300 miles and 20.000 feet of climbing out of your...

I forgot to add or to make it clearer: The Creo/SL support is not only more "harmonic" then the Gain/X.35 motor (especially fpr experienced cyclists). It's like all middle motors also much better and reliable and constant uphill/in the mountains, where a small hub motors will reduce power much...

I normally don't like too much likes ;-) but I put one in your OP as your "starting point" with Orbea Gain is very interesting for me. I'm surprised that these are common in the US; I thought they sell them only in Europe. The Gain was the first light/assist ebike I tried in 2018 (Germany, 25kmh...

sWashington wins (thi time) over Canada... ;-) I also can recommend the Speedrockers if you need good&semipermanent fenders. The protection is really good (much better than with the usal quick&easy MTB fenders) but on the other hand you need about a minute to install them each time. I wouldn't...