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    My Thoughts on Mid Drive..Hub Drive and Throttle

    I sell e-bikes for a living, so I'm quite aware. If you read all of my messages, I even acknowledged that things like a mobility impairment are a strong argument for a throttle. I like to read your posts because you have good information and interesting opinions, but I think insulting other...
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    My Thoughts on Mid Drive..Hub Drive and Throttle

    You didn't say who you were responding to, but I can only guess it was me given the content of your message. I'm not sure why you feel the need to be rude to people whose opinions differ from yours (presuming by pontification that you meant "express one's opinions in a way considered annoyingly...
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    25km/h? 32? 45? 60? What speed do you *actually* want on your e-bike?

    Most of my e-bikes have been class-3 (45 km/h, 28 mph). But I've also ridden many class 1 e-bikes (32km/h, 20 mph), and bikes limited to 25 km/h. I wasn't very satisfied with 25 km/h (15.5 mph) for commuting. I can usually ride as fast or faster than that on a muscle bike, so it didn't add a...
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    Will ebikes really lead the EV revolution?

    Your suggestion is a little like the propane tank thing, where you bring in your empty propane tank and get a different tank (filled with propane) in return. Not sure about elsewhere, but that's a common model for propane tank filling around these parts. They certify the tanks coming in...
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    My Thoughts on Mid Drive..Hub Drive and Throttle

    Your comments are interesting, and I appreciate you taking the time to share them! I have ridden bikes with throttles, and never found a use for it. I meticulously gear down when at a stop (even to the point that if I come to an unexpected stop, I'll lift the rear wheel off the ground and...
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    Are eBike bans actually enforced?

    Interestingly, in British Columbia, all bicycles are considered motor vehicles under the BC Motor Vehicle Act. Bicycles have all the same rights and responsibilities as any other vehicle on the road here.
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    My Thoughts on Mid Drive..Hub Drive and Throttle

    If I were in amongst pedestrians, I'd get off and walk along with them until I'm through them and back on the road. I don't understand how feathering the throttle could stretch my range better than pedalling plus assist can? I don't weave through obstacles, I ride roads and well manicured...
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    Why buying a Stromer?

    The tunability of the E8000 is a subject of much discussion on the EMTB forums (that's where I learned about it), so there's no keeping it secret! :) The trick is that you need to downgrade to an old Shimano firmware, as Shimano has modified newer firmwares to stop people tuning the motor in...
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    My Thoughts on Mid Drive..Hub Drive and Throttle

    I have tried e-bikes with throttles many times, from BionX hub motor bikes back in the day to modern and powerful Bafang mid-drives (both hub and mid-drive) today. And 80+ mile rides aren't uncommon for me, I did a tonne of rides that long or longer this past summer. My longest single day ride...
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    My Thoughts on Mid Drive..Hub Drive and Throttle

    Lots of people seem to value a throttle, and I'm genuinely curious as to why. If I'm tired/sick I'll just pedal very gently. If I'm feeling my Wheaties I'll pedal hard. But short of a mobility impairment, I can't imagine a scenario where I'd prefer to not pedal at all.
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    Are eBike bans actually enforced?

    If you're in an at-fault accident with a car, then it could matter. Especially if the e-bike isn't street legal (such as if it's a class-3 in an area where they're not allowed, or if it's a derestricted e-bike, or if it's an overpowered one that exceeds the legal limits).
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    Why buying a Stromer?

    Yes, the Haibike is a class-3 drop-bar road bike. I was really enjoying it until the tendons in my arms started hurting, so now I'm mostly riding flat bar again as that aggravates my tendons less. All my bikes were class 3 bikes until the Felt with the E8000 motor came along, and now I have a...
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    Is anyone trying to solve charging on the road?

    55 lb bike = iZip E3 Moda 49 lb bike = Raleigh Tamland iE (46 pounds originally, but 49 pounds after I swapped to Schwalbe Energizer Pro tires) 42.5 lb bike = Felt Sport-E 33 lb bike = BMC Alpenchallenge AMP Cross LTD (I was interested in the Road One, but switched to the Cross LTD after I...
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    Why buying a Stromer?

    To get a super lightweight class 3 e-bike, buy a BMC Alpenchallenge AMP with a STePS 8000 motor, and use software to change the default max speed settings. Uniquely amongst brand-name motors, the E8000 motor has the ability to be set to any speed you want from 25 to 60 km/h. Doing so likely...
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    Why buying a Stromer?

    You didn't say most of them, you said 99.9% of them. I believe that's false, I believe more than 0.1% of the class 3 market is sub-50 pounds. I own two, and one was 41.5 lbs stock and the other was 46 pounds. Both of them were production line bikes, neither was custom nor anywhere near the...
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    Is anyone trying to solve charging on the road?

    Gotcha. I did read that after 90 minutes of the battery chemistry settling down that the computer gets a more accurate reading of the charge level, but I can't assert the accessory of that information. :)
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    Why buying a Stromer?

    I have three e-bikes. None are custom/DIY builds. All are 41-46 lbs in their stock configurations, though some have been accessorized. The heaviest is my Raleigh Tamland iE which went from 46 to 49 pounds after I'd kitted it out. The lightest is my Haibike XDURO Race S 6.0 which is less than...
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    Why buying a Stromer?

    You're wrong that 99.9% of mid-drives are 50 lb or heavier. Many are, and many aren't. My main mid-drive e-bike is 42.4 pounds, and it's a reasonably priced bike with an aluminum frame (Felt Sport-E https://feltbicycles.com/products/sport-e-50-s-electric-e-bike). Almost all of the mid-drive...
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    Why buying a Stromer?

    Yes, I can maintain 45 km/h on flat with reasonable effort, and 45 (or close to it) up slight uphills, on a variety of non-Stromer class-3 e-bikes. Once you hit the 75-90 Nm assist range on a lightweight mid-drive e-bike, that's pretty easy in my experience. And there are bikes that aren't...
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    Is anyone trying to solve charging on the road?

    Thanks for the link, I read several articles there. I see that you specifically quoted me saying I typically wait 30+ minutes after a ride before I put the bike on charge. I haven't found any content on Battery University yet that specifically addresses that, yet. Should I be looking for...
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