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Harry I agree, torque sensing just seems to be the better way all around. At least if you want a motor to feel like a completely integrated part of your legs

Great chat gents, quite informative. My instinct that spinning a hub powered e-bike at a fast cadence in a low gear would make the battery last longer was wrong. Hub efficiency is pinned to how quickly the is rotating and that's it. But if one gears down a mid-motor and whips the crank...

I've read that as a general rule mid motors will use battery more efficiently than hub because hub takes advantage of planetary gears to keep load/torque in a more optimal band for the spinning motor. So same amount of battery goes farther with a mid-drive. Correct me please if this is not...

Very helpful info thank you. I do fully appreciate that diy conversions are generally not that cost effective! It's just that my wife's bike is a really good bike for longer treks. I ride a lot of different bikes, but if I needed one bike for the rest of my life, there's no question. It would...

I looked at the Bimotal, thanks for the suggestion. There are a few issues: I would need to convert to four piston rear brake, and my wife is riding a road setup. It's possible, afaik requires a whole new shifting system to get a road brake lever/shifter that will work with a four-piston...

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Thinking about adding a small bit of boost to my wife's bike to equalize our riding on long rides and when we are touring. Was thinking a wheel but now considering adding a mid motor. To the best of your knowledge, which conversion motors are the smallest and lightest? I've seen a few...

My understanding is that front and rear wheel motor hubs need QR slots to have something to push against, so boost thru-axle out of luck for motorized wheel conversions? The bike I'm looking at is my wife's 2021 Salsa Fargo. Since the rear dropouts are changeable, I could swap TA for QR in the...

You have verified that both bikes measure the same axle to crown? The new version clears bigger tires, maybe it has a taller fork?

I think you're misreading the addressing the market part. What I've been chatting about is why Specialized doesn't make a road racing geometry frame in an e-bike. The Creo is and always has been straddling endurance road geometry and gravel geometry. Those are extremely popular segments, and...

Sounds pretty awesome!

I wonder sometimes whether there is much of a market for true road e-bikes. Most people who want a true road frame are good at pedaling a bike. Conversely, most people who aren't sporting riders prefer a bike that's a little more upright and a little more stable where you can go just as fast...

Mschwett I bet you're right, Specialized creating a bigger gap into which they can insert a true road ebike

Just pragmatically from someone who has done a lot of night riding on roads and mountain biking: You're not going to outrun the distance a 6v system shines down the road. And the "be seen" improvement of 12v is not consequential - drivers will see you fine with a 6 volt system. So if it...

And last little bit of my fanboy love letter: Great job keeping the 320w battery. Literally your 320w bikes are the only quality ebikes I can think of that you can travel with by commercial airline. 320w battery out, carry on two 160w extenders (biggest possible allowed on a plane), fly...

Oh and THANK YOU for the normal axle specs. So nice to be able to shop for a wide range of wheelsets, not buy front and rear separately, not retrofit wonky axle adapters on the front. Thanks. I swear I'm so hyped on the new frame geo and tire clearance. I might Jones bar a Creo 2 and turn it...

Bravo Specialized! Creo 2 relaxed, long and relatively upright. Takes 50mm rubber no problem. I've been waiting to see this exact all-road ebike. It's forgoes a little bit of road racing geometry's aero and snappiness, but because it has a motor will still positively haul a@@. And in return...

Yep "Slack" is HTA and mechanical trail. Huge difference in ride feel between 73 and 71. 71 more stable and carvey. Slacker HTA contributes to more stable longer wheelbase, and you feel more behind the front wheel as opposed to on top of it. Modern big hitting MTB's have 64ish degree head...

This. Don't start at motor specs when choosing a bike. Start at the frame specs. You don't ride the motor, you ride the frame. The Rouvida is much more in the endurance road category. Creo 2 is on the more upright end of gravel bikes. Quoted post above knows the Rouvida is better for his...

Harry, this has seemed like the case to me as well. However, for me the Specialized Vado SL would get 60 miles out of it's 320WH battery in a mix of the low and mid setting on flatter terrain. And I've heard that the auxiliary batteries for the VADO SL, which are 160 WH (clever dogs over at...