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Heh. That reminds me: some scammer in the OKC area is offering a brand new R&M Superdelite for $655. But you can't go and pick it up; you have to pay electronically and he'll then ship it to you.... supposedly. :rolleyes:

Well. Sorry for the misunderstanding. So I'll try to be as thorough as possible in laying out the situation. Of course I pedaled both as hard as possible for comparison. And the R1Up was easier on the legs because I reached the top of the hill in less than half the time. Do I have to also...

I think you've read an assumption into what I wrote. You might want to read my initial post again, because I never stated dissatisfaction with the climbing ability of my current ebike; I only asked how a mid drive would compare because if I buy a mid drive I don't want less climbing ability...

I didn't buy the Tenways Ago T. Nice looking ebike, though. It didn't have as much hill climbing power as my current ebike, a Ride1Up LMT'D; the Tenways hub's rated torque is about 20% less than my MXUS hub IIRC, and I just read today that the Enviolo has a 14% efficiency loss versus a...

IMO stay away from the super-low-budget ebikes with obscure brand names. Especially all the Amazon wonders. But there are some bargains to be had. Lectric, for example, buys in huge quantities and keeps their prices low, yet from what I've read they have good CS after the sale. My Ride1Up...

Just one ebike: Ride1Up LMT'D with handlebar stem extension. One analog bike: Trek Pure Sport.

I agree, and I don't "lazy pedal" either.

Yeah, you can take that as a compliment, I'm sure! :D

Exactly the thing to do, yep! This morning I did exactly that. The problem is, the ebike shops are pretty limiting about where a person can ride to try out their ebikes. One stays close to the shop. And they are all located in flat areas. So I started watching the FB listings. Someone in...

I'm going to test ride a Tenways Ago T tomorrow. I hope it rides as nice as it looks.

That's an interesting situation with the ball bearing. Hmm.

I would be pedaling with PAS, not using the throttle. I don't mind working along with the motor, I just don't want to work hard enough to make my legs feel like jelly. I've been thinking about a trip to Acadia NP and in my imagination I could picture myself pedaling to the top of Cadillac...

The 27 lb weight certainly sounds wonderful to me! Fabulous for an ebike.

I'm reasonably sure the Coast lights do not have regulated output, meaning they get dimmer and dimmer throughout the 8 hour period you mention. Besides, I know of no 18650 cell that can supply 500 actual lumens for 8 hours. Not saying there's anything wrong with the Coast, though.

My Ride1Up LMT'D turned out to be a decent quality ebike. Only problems I've had were: - the fill opening for the front hydraulic brake must not have been tight from the factory, and after a few months I lost enough fluid that the brake needed a refill and bleed. - after 800 miles some spokes...

BTW, I looked up the gear inches on my R1Up LMTD. The range is 41 to 118. No wonder it's such a slug when pedaled up any incline without PAS. The ebike I'm looking to get is a (used but like new) Electra Townie 8i. (I miss the crank-forward geometry of my old Trek Pure Sport.) If I've...

I'd never thought of that. It makes sense to me, though, now that you tell me. I've noticed the sound the hub motor makes, of course, and the pitch gets higher as the forward speed increases. But a mid drive motor's speed is related to pedal cadence, not forward speed. Wow, yeah.

Now that's an interesting comment. I have some hills near my house that will bog me down in 1st gear on my 21-speed Trek analog bike and will wear my legs down to a nub even at that. Those hills are so unpleasant on the Trek, I'd simply stopped riding there. But once I got my Ride1Up LMTD I...

Good point. My current Ride1Up LMTD soars with power, but unpowered it's a real dog on the least uphill incline; my analog Trek bike does better.

Thanks to you all for your input. Hearing that the mid drive will actually peak much higher than 250W is very reassuring. I have seen posts where people said mid drives are better, but looking at the torque numbers made me doubt that a mid drive with lower torque rating could climb easier than...