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    WOW! Rough ride ahead! All "Terms of Use" are modified

    Seems like a nothing burger. What exactly am I missing?
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    Turbo Creo 2 Comp E5 (aluminum) is out, is a Vado SL 2 next?

    FWIW my E5 Creo1 rides great, I’d expect the same from the Creo2. and yes, that’s their aluminum frame.
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    Turbo Creo 2 Comp E5 (aluminum) is out, is a Vado SL 2 next?

    The challenge is that Reach is normally the horizontal distance from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the head tube. Then there's additional distance from the length/angle of the stem, and even more distance to the hoods or drops subject to the handlebar drop & reach specs for...
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    Turbo Creo 2 Comp E5 (aluminum) is out, is a Vado SL 2 next?

    Just how I had to screen capture the email to get the info. Here’s the upper part.
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    Turbo Creo 2 Comp E5 (aluminum) is out, is a Vado SL 2 next?

    Emailed announcement says July 2024 availability in the US
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    Should I buy a Vado SL, or Wait for the Release of the Version with the 1.2 Motor?

    Yes, the Topeak MTX system is also good. My 2022 Vado 4.0 came with fenders and a MIK-compatible rack, and my wife's Trek has a MIK-compatible rack, so I'm a bit focused on that system. :)
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    Should I buy a Vado SL, or Wait for the Release of the Version with the 1.2 Motor?

    Plenty of rear rack options that don't marry you to a fender. I'd suggest looking at the Bontrager BackRack MIK or BackRack Lightweight MIK. I'm considering adding the last one to my Creo but haven't pulled the trigger. You'll need a rack-stay mount that attaches to the seat tube though, but...
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    Tero X Fender Trim to Use on 1UP Hitch Rack

    I had an additional reason to shorten the fender - I typically wheelie my bikes to maneuver them past the car in the garage to where they're kept, and the stock fender doesn't do that well. Have you seen 1Up USA's fender cushion? That might work for your situation, though I'd definitely use...
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    Tero X Fender Trim to Use on 1UP Hitch Rack

    Or just bob the rear fender as described in this thread - I mentioned having done the same to my Vado 4.0 in post #8. In my case I removed the fender and cut it on my tabletop bandsaw. I took the spindle down two spots on my 1UP USA rack and it works well for my Vado 4.0 as well two...
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    Vado 4.0 Sale Price

    Sure - if there's no rider. Add a 200lb rider and you have an SL with a total system weight of ~233lb and a Vado 4.0 total system weight of ~258lb. So around a 10% weight difference overall. Note also that the total system weight really only matters relative to motor power when accelerating...
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    Vado 4.0 Sale Price

    Yeah, looks like availability is limited vs when I bought mine in 2022. The Abus 5750 is the same, but one step down in lock cylinder security. Still very good though, I just chose the higher level since price was nearly the same so why not. You can look at the dimensions on Abus site to...
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    Vado 4.0 Sale Price

    You're welcome. The chain (which has a ring at the end to pass through itself) + frame lock is a pretty good solution for walking into a store or similar since defeating them requires at least two cuts if not three. The frame lock by itself prevents roll or ride-away theft, and if you remain...
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    Vado 4.0 Sale Price

    That is an excellent price, and it is an excellent bike for commuting/errand-running. Plus 0% interest is free money these days. I doubt you'll see a lower price on a new bike of the Vado 4's level - and buying new gets you lifetime frame warranty that used bike doesn't have. Some...
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    Should I buy a Vado SL, or Wait for the Release of the Version with the 1.2 Motor?

    That is correct. Disengage when you prefer lesser tension on the chain, such as wheel removal or chain replacement. Otherwise generally keep it on.
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    Should I buy a Vado SL, or Wait for the Release of the Version with the 1.2 Motor?

    it’s funny how the cheap SOB’s often have the most available cash. If they can only bring themselves to spend it. 😀
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    Should I buy a Vado SL, or Wait for the Release of the Version with the 1.2 Motor?

    Sure, that's what it shows for online sales today. That can change tomorrow or next week or the week after. Also consider asking your LBS if they can order - my LBS told me last year that stores order from a different stock than the direct-to-consumer website orders, so it may be available in...
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    Should I buy a Vado SL, or Wait for the Release of the Version with the 1.2 Motor?

    Funny how they do tha. Wouldn’t be difficult to de-EQ the bike if you preferred it that way. … and that matte yellow is nice
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    Should I buy a Vado SL, or Wait for the Release of the Version with the 1.2 Motor?

    If yours has the Mastermind TCU then I don't believe there are any changes - check the current technical info and see if it matches your drivetrain though, not sure if they might's made some initial 2022's with an 11-speed and now sell 12 speed. and there's no reason to excuse taking a...
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    Can One order Garmin Varias on 2022 Turbo Vado 4.0?

    The Creo2 Workbook section about adding a tail-light powered from the ebike suggests notching the back of the motor cover and running the wire for the taillight along the back of the seat tube. Personally I'd just stick with a battery powered Varia.
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    Creo Upgrades and Modifications

    Creo2 is spec'd to 25kg rear cargo + rack capacity. See the Creo 2 Rider Workbook for more details on rack sizing/specifics - including their suggestion of the tubus Vega Classic rack which is rated to 25kg. I keep meaning to try this Bontrager MIK-compatible rack with my Creo E5 sometime...
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