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@Alaskan As a successful business owner, I wholeheartedly agree with you and Mr. Ruskin. Buy once, cry once. However, in the case of the CCS it has been found to have one of the best ratios between value and quality. You have chosen wisely with quality bikes that will give you great value...

On the flip side, you could buy 2 CCS for 1 Trek

Here is another one just to confuse the situation more (Link Removed - No Longer Exists)

I hope would hope for $3500+ you would get a smooth performing bike

Thanks for the info I would imagine that shipping and import would drive the cost up to what many of the bikes already sell for $1500 -$1800. I also believe most Americans want power. As a whole Americans seem to buy bigger and more powerful on all items autos, motorcycles, appliances, tv, well...

There is another great forum with lots of information

My LBS I have dealt with for years has great prices on his Giant line of regular bikes but his E-bike prices are all MSRP. I know he stands behind everything he sells and would take good care of anyone who buys from him. I had not even considered a Giant E-bike until last week I did not even...

@Alphbetadog Do you think a triangle battery pack would be better?

@Asher you are correct just the number of responses here are showing that at the moment Juiced is ahead. I am looking to build a bike as well as comparing OEM bikes and it is hard to beat what Tora is offering for the price. I am finding it hard to put a package together like the Crosscurrent...

Most of these do in fact just give the averages and do not show that killer hill that one may encounter.

@BobG I recently tried ridewithgps I really like this one.

Sorry, @J.R. I believe this to be a good site as well I had never tried it on my street but had used it before. It very well may be accurate in other areas, my GPS is not accurate in my area either. The street leading up to the road my house is on has small rises of 0-3% then a hill that is 7%...

Just tried it on my street and it was not even close, the distance is correct but it does not account for the areas of level road vs the graded section of the street. It just gives the average of distance/height.

snow and sleet here

The Aurora uses a chain so the gear ratio could be changed for better hill climbing.

I agree with you @Chris Hammond. I have only ridden up the area hills on non-motorized bikes and have to highly agree with you.

I thought most of the Juiced bikes were Bafang motors

I most likely would have purchased this bike if it was not for that fact. I cannot drive over 2 hours everytime something goes wrong.

Here is a guy who believes that going uphill should not be harder than flats. https://www.cyclingabout.com/hills-are-not-harder-than-cycling-on-the-flat/

The biggest problem for the small retailers seems to be keeping bikes in stock. Not a bad problem if you are selling out, but definitely an issue for the consumer.