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I'm not sure Sondors calculated these costs - his margins look kinda skinny to cover those. If you have any specific numbers, please share. Here is what I have seen: $200,000 for marketing costs (per Agency 2.0). paid $220,000 to IGG (assuming their typical 4% cost on $5.5M sales) $524,000...

@ FTC and Ann: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/8fun-snow-bike-motor-36v-350w_60218603089.html Theo V. posted this as the motor (maybe Bruce C told him?). It could be something like this, but obviously it is not a 350rpm motor on a fat bike! This motor is about twice the weight of the...

Anomander, I posted a lot of information on this a few weeks ago back. Just search on my name. Ivars got in a spat with Jon early on (about the $2 million mark) and kicked him out. Jon created the bike in the original sales video that inspired $5+ million in sales. Of course, that was a $4000...

I first got exited about this when Yahoo published their article making this sound like the deal of the century. But when they realized their mistake, Yahoo backpedaled and finally admitted: “The Sondors eBike Indiegogo campaign may look like a product catalog page, but it’s not... Don’t think...

Good points George. I put together a BOM (Bill of Materials) to get rough pricing. There is not a lot of room for profit here. You can save some buying in bulk - most of the savings is in the bike as the price below is retail, and the other pieces are wholesale prices. Those samsung cells...

Serious? This quote from the article is serious: “Pacific Storm, Ivars company, states that if they are not able to access and use Indiegogo funds then that will prevent manufacture and distribution of eBikes to backers.” OMG - Now Sondors has a back door giving himself an excuse not to...

Obviously he is changing things as we go along (motor, batteries, etc), so we don't know the size/weight/performance of the new components. lets to a little analysis. I'm making a 4.5lb 36v11Ah battery (using Samsung 29E cells). Storm's batteries are not quite that nice, but 36v10Ah (10S 5P)...

Interesting how Court got 12 miles (sand viper) and Storm got 23 miles? Hmmm... it only counts if it is a closed loop with no pedaling. Really, no one rides a 350 watt bike at less than full power (which like Court found, averages about 16-17 mph) Funny, i was just going upload this...

Most of the purchases were done based on the video of the “prototype” bike in the video (3000 watt, with the green wheels, no pedals). By the time the 2nd bike (350 watt, gold wheels) was brought to demo days, the majority of funders had already put their money down. This “demo” bike looks to...

Well, there are two separate and distinct arguments against Sondors: 1) He is making fraudulent claims 2) What he is claiming to do is not possible and he will not deliver anything. Do some degree these reflect the problems with Indiegogo-Kreyos watch fiasco. They apparently failed on both...

I have always been a little surprised at the negativity with Storm. IMHO he seems to be a bright talented guy who knows nothing about bicycles and has wildly optimistic claims about his product. He is getting an on the job education. Still, what he is doing is not technically difficult. He...

Interesting, I missed that part. That $4,000 two-wheeler sounds like a description of the bike in the original sales video (Jon's bike with the green rims and no pedals). Jon H. stated it was a 3000 watt bike (and I have a video still showing 72 volts on the cycle analyst). That bike had a...

wa5: Yeah, you can easily put more amp hours in those bottle batteries. They hold standard 18650 cells and are sold in various capacities. You can’t tell by looking at the outside, so who knows? From the Sand Viper report, the 8.8Ah version would be good for about 45 minutes. Storm’s bafang...

This bike (no pedals)? Yeah, if they had never posted that, I would have found the campaign more believable. Maybe it is maturing, or maybe they are just getting rid of the incriminating evidence. That video is of a 3000 watt (72v) bike*. I have a screen capture from that video that shows...

I built three 350watt ebikes 36v10ah. I literally supply half the power (I'm a strong rider) and go about 22-24 miles on a 30lb e-mountain-bike. I couldn't do that on the storm bike because of the gearing and the weight. Sure, 50 miles is possible in theory. I can do 100 miles at 20 mph...

To summarize what we have learned about the Sondor's bike 13 miles range, maybe 20+ miles with a strong rider pedaling a lot. 50 minute battery duration (10ah, maybe 45minutes for 8.8ah) 20mph full throttle cruising speed (flat, possibly downwind) 58.5lb weight 350watt Bafang XO2 geared hub...