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This is a very good comparison. I have owned a manual shifting convertible "sports" car. And I loved it. But I learned something important from that car: As fun as manual shifting can be (and, oh my god, it is), on normal roads (read not track or off road), the automatic is every bit as good as...

All 3 of mine make/made this light grinding sound when the hub is trying to quickly move a wide range of gears. Easy way to produce it is to coast downhill (bike shifts down thinking you will stop), and start hammering and this sound briefly happens as it quickly tries to get you into high gear...

This has occurred to me. You do still need to actually shift. And while I admit that was much less of an issue on the vado SL than I thought it would be, I was also very focused on the fitness aspects simply trying to climb my hill. I am not sure I could pull off the vado SL on these rides that...

As a local, I can veto some of them based on local.... information. Others, I don't know one way or another. But, the only way to find out is to order again and deliver to one of them. And that just isn't worth it at this point. If for no other reason than if they aren't better, or are worse, I...

Wiring harness didn't fix it. In an effort to shorten the ensuing discussion: @Stefan Mikes: Does the LBS even know how to change a wiring harness? @mschwett: This still sounds like the LBS should be dealing with it. @tomjasz: we don't have the whole story. random others: Why can't we all just...

Maybe. Honestly, I am not sure I would be as motivated to ride the chain models. While they may be more problem free, if I ride less often because the experience isn’t so… engaging, then it brings up the question of value. The blade isn’t worth owning simply because I don’t choose to ride it...

Nope. Haven’t you seen our history? ;)

Nope. But they are comparatively cheap. And I am not opposed to owning regular bikes for the slow family rides. They just won’t get much use beyond that. I am considering the priority turi and one of the priority pinion models. To keep belt in the picture.

Harness is in. Both bikes are at the shop for their respective "fixes". Fun times. You guys keep acting like I can just go to a different LBS. Let me clarify something for you: I live in the capital of Vermont. It is all of 8,000 people. This LBS is *the* Specialized LBS within a reasonable...

Have you ridden one extensively? I am continuing to try because the experience is night and day better than a chain (which is why I stopped biking), a rohloff (which I currently own), a manual enviolo (which I have owned) or any other bike I have owned or tested. I get why people don't like it...

The fact that you think a guy putting pedals on wrong as an honest mistake irrevocably means "The entire LBS is incompetent" says everything that needs to be said. Stop judging people without any context. You don't know. You would feel like crap if that guy came to work having just been served...

I think blaming the LBS is pretty short sighted. I had mentioned earlier that this shop can't send people to California for training. It's not that they don't want to, it's that it makes exactly zero financial sense. This is not a high volume, high end bike shop. The only IGH models they have...

Agreed. Again, the shop messed up. But if the cranks came wrong, what else could have been built wrong at the factory causing the mastermind to not realize it is an IGH bike? Is the LBS responsible for that? Do they use a slightly different revision of the motor or mastermind on IGH bikes? Is...

This, dear sir, is the truest thing you have said. ;)

These bikes come with the cranks preinstalled. This is multiple sources not just my LBS. You are suggesting they flipped them. Again, with even less info than I have about it. How do you know the belt tension is set wrong? Or was that just an assumption? What is it with the inability to accept...

You keep trying to divert blame to the LBS. Specialized built a bike wrong that also wasn’t working right on delivery. Why is it so hard a concept for you that Specialized manufacturing messed up? And then has shown repeatedly that they don’t know what to do to fix these bikes in short order...

Stop making useless connections to things that aren't relevant. I have already said, my LBS should have caught the crank arms. They didn't. It doesn't change the fact that 1) the crank arms mis-installation was caught by me *not* the LBS. And that means it happened at the factory since they come...

Nether does a company who can’t install the left and right crank correctly at the factory. If the IGH issues are purely an LBS support problem then specialized still needs to step up on support and training of the LBS for these models. The LBS can’t be expected to be experts on new complex...

As said individual, I am with you. But, if you read this forum, there are quite a few issues with the IGH models. Many of those users switch to chain with no problems. For me, this is my 2nd and 3rd IGH model delivered with problems. Other users end up getting the entire bike swapped when...

Went on a ride with the entire family. We proved exactly one thing: E-bikes are unnecessary for this kind of riding. I pulled my 3 year old in the burley d'lite x with the motor off on gentle rolling rail trail style riding. The 9 year old road his riprock and loved it. Except one minor fall...