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They also relaxed the steering of the SL 6.0 with a pushed out fork and longer wheelbase

Indeed. To make weight up for having a Futureshock unlike the SL 4.0 I suspect. And justify a higher price though it also is said to have "step up" components vs the 4.0.

My SL 5.0 non EQ in large frame size weighed 33lbs on digital bathroom scale. The EBR test of the base 6.0 EQ had their weight 2lbs heavier than spec.

As we both know, range isn't an issue with an easy to pedal bike like the 4.0 and 5.0 SLs which is why I think they are the sweet spot for now. Until we can get a battery that is the same size and weight as the 320 in these bikes I'm fine even without bottle batteries as are you it sounds like.

Then I see no benefit. Personally I think if this 6.0 had come out first we'd say, "drop the price and weight even if that means less power a bit more noise and a smaller battery as we can buy bottle extenders."

Problem is with added power comes faster battery drain.

You should have bought a Sirrus X 4.0 at less than half the price and 10lbs lighter than the non eq SL 5.0.

Double checked, it is the LTD that weighs the same as our current bikes at $8000, the $6000 SL 6.0 weighs almost 2.5lb more at $6000 than my 5.0. As others have said, it also has chunkier heavy e'bike looks.

IDK, if one lowers the motor output to that of the 5.0 the range is extended significantly with a weight less than the 5.0/4.0 with bottle battery. But at a huge price. So not for me but for some out there with longer commutes it may be ideal.

The SL 5.0 non EQ fits my needs perfectly so no worries here.

I think I for one was day dreaming that battery tech would have progressed to the point that a longer range battery would carry no weight penalty so I have to admit to being a bit naive. Oh well, maybe in 10 years.

IDK, they provide the weights now for both...essentially identical though. IIRC when I weighed my 5.0 non EQ using a digital bathroom scale it was 33lbs. 6.0 LTD non EQ. Weight 14.98 kg (33 lb, 0.4 oz) Weight Size MD 5.0 non EQ: Weight 14.9kg (32 lb, 13.6 oz) Weight Size MD

I wonder if the new battery will fit the 5.0 but as I don't even have the need for the ancillary bottle battery at the moment the "got to do it if possible" factor is once again low. Maybe I'll ask Santa for the bottle battery.

Other than range this is not the big step forward I thought it might be. My SL 5.0 will not be replaced; the "got to have it" factor is thankfully low.

Odd, it looks like the 6.0 Carbon weighs more than the 5.0. Larger battery the culprit?

Thanks. How do those single speed belt drives work on the actual road as I find the gears on the 5.0 SL a must. My motorcycle has a belt, (B&W F800ST) and I do like the concept but it has gears. Nice looking bikes though. https://ride1up.com/product/roadster-v2-gravel-roadster/...

My friend is in the market for a cheaper than Specialized bike; whaddya got in Petaluma as we are nearby? Assist, with quality drivetrain, not throttle.

What tire pressure do you use? I have had no ill effects with 70 psi. Maybe have your son reduce his by 10 psi.

I had gotten to the point on my analog bike that I avoided hills entirely. Actually bought an inclinometer for my e'bike to tackle even 15 percent grades once in a while.

Glad to hear it; I also found the saddle hurt my butt the first few rides but find it very comfy now. I came at this bike from a completely different direction than you so that might have something to do with it. I have NEVER had a bike lighter than 32lbs so finding one with electric assist at...