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I would like to do a sanity check around expectations with you guys on my bike selection. Basically, I narrowed it down to these four bikes ( recognizing that there are 40ish models of bikes that fit most of my criteria particularly full power bosch based mountain bikes ). Trek fuel exe - gx...

Guys, I may have made a decision. Crazy.

I would not buy the 1.1 unless the deal was insane. There is a levo (don’t remember which) that is like 60% off on the floor of my bike shop. In that scenario, I would consider a 1.1. Not sure about size. This one definitely had UDH on it. I am very much with you on this. The question is...

Yes, but it’s not biking distance. And talking to that bike department does not give me warm fuzzy feelings. It is on the table. And I do buy their frequently for that reason.

Yes! Absolutely! you could keep up that line of thinking and match any of the higher power motors to the sx or tq. But with those you could do it anywhere between 60 and 100 rpm. The sx possibly couldn’t match the sl or tq at 65 rpm. Without the power curve, we don’t know. The reason I am not...

Ok, so I was still collecting my thoughts. But some things I am relatively sure about the salsa confluence ride: Power from the mahle 35 was sufficient for a strong gradient with the 11-42 standard gearing. The hoods did not bother me the way they have previously. I still don’t have confidence...

Yeah, I may contact and ask for the raw data. Oh the fun I could have with that! I did just ride a salsa confluence! IT may have helped clarify things a bit. :)

Fun info about motors: https://ebike-mtb.com/en/emtb-motor-comparison/ I have been using the chart about cadence and power production from the above url. I attached a screenshot for convenience. I have ruled out the bosch SX line because I simply can’t keep pace with the rpm where it works...

It’s a bit more nuanced. A stick shift that doesn’t get in your way and improves the fun and experience is a definite upgrade. But a stick shift that is finicky wouldn’t be a better option. Same with automatic. In cars, while it’s rarer these days to run into an automatic that has no clue how to...

I had just discovered it and then wondered why I couldn’t find it anywhere. I agree. But the experience I love is automatic enviolo igh. Part of that is automatic, part of it is simply pedaling to my hearts content. SRAM powertrain could do both with transmission. But getting one is hard...

People keep saying that, but people don’t understand biking in vermont. In the course of a 3 mile ride, I can easily move from pavement, to gravel road, to light trail, to class 4 roads…. etc, all involvinig 500-2,000 feet of ascending. Often more. Any bike that can’t handle all of that here is...

I am aware! I am still unsure on the bosch system. But, the smart system may have alleviated my primary concerns. I just haven’t been able to get on one and try it. It’s also a lot of money for aluminum ( but that also isn’t necessarily an issue for me ). I may even be able to try them locally...

@Stefan Mikes Have you ridden the levo?

This is another consistent report from the reviews I have read/watched. works better with higher load. Thanks for the feedback! Now just need to pick the motor I like and narrow down to the actual bike.

Did you try dumping gears quickly? I am curious about the reported shifting delays and “queuing”.

I am curious about di2 shifting. Can you shift under any load with impunity? I have sort of assumed UDH/Transmission was the way to go. But I don’t actually *want* a full on mountain bike. If the salsa cuttthroat had a motor (or a very similar model with a motor) it would be high on my list. I...

This is what matters to me. Switching a group of gears quickly is not a priority for me. So even if true, not a deal breaker for me.

Maybe, just regurgitating the one consistent complaint I have heard about transmission. Until recently I had zero interest in chain. So I wasn’t even paying attention to them in terms of trying them out. I am close to pulling the trigger on an sram powertrain bike.

I haven’t ridden one, but every report that cares about this says you can’t quickly dump multiple gears like you can on previous options. For a single shift: fast. For multiple: slow. I actually had one of the bike shops warn me about that on transmission based on my pinion dumbshift experience.

This alone, based on my experience with derailleurs, is well worth it for riders that lean casual. The shift delay being the blocker to more performance driven riders. I can’t wait to try it. However, I discovered the salsa cutthroat with transmission which may be a drop bar bike I can live...