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I think they quoted around 450$, for the wheels, tires, casette and rotor. That is about 335USD. There is also some advantage of time saving there for me vs having to research / source / set it up myself hence I like the idea of just getting it all from them...

Had missed this, sorry. I am from the Netherlands, so we don't have hills haha. I biked in Scotland though, but never done downhill and not planning on doing so. I live near a bunch of trails and they are pretty much all black diamonds or double blacks. Even the blue and green trails are quite...

Thank you for your input, not many Fathom riders around, even though it has good specs and price point. My local Giant Dealer have already quoted me on an extra set of wheels; this way I can click them in whenever I need them. So I can basically get the whole setup from them (bike, extra set of...

One more question, you seem to know your ebikes: the Commencal has a 60nm torque vs the Giant which has 80. Knowing I have to commute on hills (way home is 8km constant uphill) - is the Giant better suited for this type of riding? The torque difference is one I find hard to understand.

Yeah there is a Commencal shop about 75 minutes away from where I live, not impossible. I was set on getting the Giant, then I saw the Commencal and then wasn;'t sure anymore... I guess that means I need more time to think and not make a decision right at this moment.

Yeah I did really like my experience with Giant, I am having a hard time deciding whether it is 'good enough' or if I should wait, save more and get a higher spec model. The price is so good, it almost makes me worry I am compromising. Stupid, right?! Thanks for the link, but I am in Canada...

I am in Canada and also quite short, I need a size small :). Thank you though!

Did consider that, but the rocky trails here require front suspension, something gravel bikes don't have. Also, most gravel bikes seem to have a 5000+ price tag.

It will be mainly rocky forrest trails. Most of my local trails (as in, directly out of my front door) are not maintained trails. I will be able to take it to places with more singletrack of course, places like the North Shore, Burnaby Mountain, Squamish, Whistler etc.

Of course it can, just not the Specialized... Liv bikes look great.

That is a nice looking bike - thank you. How does it compare to something like the Giant? I saw a Commencal MAXMAX POWER 650B 2019, which seems like a nice bike - though I prefer to get it from a store vs online. So instead of narrowing it down, I only find more options....

Oh no doubt, not a little voice either. However, the cost be 2500$ more (for a $5000 FS + extra set of tires). That just isn't happening.

And all credits to you, forgot to say. I had totally ignored the Giant bikes and when I went to the store I had the best experience with their service and their price point is just very good. So, thank you.

Thank you! I rode the Trek, Cube, Giant, Kona, Specialized and a Haibike.... Quite a few! The VALL-E+ is the same as the FATHOM E+ 3 (VALL = Liv/ Fathom is = Giant) And exactly as you said, no black diamond runs. Not to say I won't in the future, but I will ride a HT for another year or two...

Yeah I have seen th Yeah I have seen the Levo recommended everywhere, but it is too expensive for me. I could spent that, but I don't think it is necessary at this point. The Trek is too much of a commuter bike for me, I do really want to take it on a trail with my dog as well :). I am pretty...

Narrowed my search down to this model (FATHOM E+ 3 POWER) as well as a Cube Reaction Pro 500. I will use the bike on my local trails and to commute min 15 to max 60km 2 times a week. I live up a mountain, so it is a climb to my home. Does anyone have any experience with the Fathom? I know the...

Thank you! Though that is one of the ugliest bikes I have seen haha! The eye wants something as well.

So I spent my saturday test riding a bunch of bikes. Went to a couple different local stores and had different experiences at all of them. I have decided I will go with a HT, as that will give me the most versatile ride for the best price. I also prefer 27.5in wheels over 29, as I am pretty...

Going test riding tomorrow

Wow I love the Liv bikes - have not seen those before I've looked at some moustache bikes but they are very bulky, the most bulky of all e-bikes I looked at. I would love to get a full suspension and it IS in my budget, but how would it be for commuting? I would also have to be able to bring a...