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Just a side note here. I am one of those people who care about those details. A lot of the discussion on here has been so what, just enjoy riding the bike, it's a minor detail. It's not a minor detail to those that care about details. It can be extremely annoying. When I was young, I remember...

I'm finding old age has made things that used to be easy, a lot more complicated now. Our bodies just can't handle the things our youth took for granted. Or at least, my body sure doesn't want to lol.

LOL, OK. After a short time of thinking about this. You are right. Giving them some slack on a preorder bike (basically a beta product) is warranted. I feel there should be some caveats though. The non-preorder people, the ones paying full price. They are the final product. So let's see if the...

Dangit you had to stump me on that one. I hadn't considered it being a pre-order. I mean, I still spent almost $1k on the bike, but yeah. Preorder. I will have to do some thinking on that. A preorder can still be a final product and that is how I have felt about this bike but if we look at the...

Great? I'm not sure if I would say great. I wouldn't say it's terrible either. I would say it's a little below average. Some folks waited over 2 months to get their bicycle. I wouldn't call that great. It's not even about the first bikes going out unlocked. (I mean it was to some that...

As a few people have pointed out. They don't care about the settings or the inaccuracy of their speedometers/odometers and that's probably going to be the majority of folks. So lectric does nothing for them. Those that are complaining, however, should be corrected completely on lectrics dime...

Fully unlocked, No not usually. Of the bikes that I did look at, all that had a computer screen did allow you to change tire size and associated settings. That is the most basic function of the bicycle computer, to display speed, odometer and power settings. So I assume they all knew tire size...

I have actually been thinking about this. https://smile.amazon.com/Lumos-Lime-Green-Smart-Helmet/dp/B071VP23B2/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1MB3H7KCT0MI2&dchild=1&keywords=bicycle+helmet+with+turn+signals&psc=1&qid=1570763948&sprefix=bicycle+helmet+with+turn%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-4

It almost feels like a small tank. In terms of build quality. I don't expect anything physical breaking for a long time.

See this has been my entire issue. We have a $1000 bicycle that can't even get the speed or odometer correct. I'm not harping on lectric just to be an ass. That's a crap ton of money for a bicycle. I bought a $3000 electric zero turn lawn mower. One of the gages on it was not working...

Lol very true.

There are a couple youtubers I watch that don't say anything bad about ebikes. They take it as a personal challenge when an ebike passes them up, so they see if they can keep up and overtake. the ebikes never even know they are in a race lol.

I dial down the nastiness? Lets see.... I dial down the nastiness? I hadnt said anything about anything then And this was called for? Speak to me when you actually have a case. I did nothing wrong here.

Fixed, Feel better now? *a stick drops to the ground*

The rear rack I think was a 50lb weight limit. Not sure I would trust it for putting a kid seat on it. I would probably go trailer route just in its ease of connecting and disconnecting. The XP will handle the extra weight of the trailer easily, just a little shorter range on the battery.

There is a difference between debating and being an ass. I think most of us can see which side you are leaning on.

The closest bicycle shop to me, less than 5 miles. $77 per hour labor rates. My mechanic for my car isn't even that expensive. I don't see how some of these shops are in business. A basic tune-up from them is $95.

I'm Jealous. We got nothing that good around here. Sounds awesome.

Keep in mind seat height adjustments. I think there are only 2 lectric xp videos out there that have proper seat height. 99% of the folks seem to be riding with the seat way lower than it should be. This will result in extreme leg burn as you will have to work much harder on those steep hills...

Mine did that the very first time I tried to ride it. Once I pedaled one time and activated pas, It started working every time after that. I thought it a bit weird but again, It only did that for me on the very first ride then it worked normally after that.