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Better brakes. Most people want to pick out their own pedals, anyway. I’d be fine with a bike without pedals, seat, seatpost etc. The reaction to the battery cover has surprised me. The scheme looks like Gazelle, R&M etc. Perhas I’ve been in the Euro/Bosch space too long.

Point taken on mid-drive v. hub drivetrain wear. Keep the front rack mounts ... How much extra for second battery option?

Winner. I see a lot of new bike/bike design announcements that are just iterations on what is already available, but this is a standout. At this price, there’s no excuse not to give a hub/throttle setup a try, and the dual-battery option distinguishes it from just about everything else out...

I will publish a detailed post this weekend in the R&M subforum. My original response was to the OP’s concerns. Whether or not Bosch is required to draw down just below 28mph is not my primary concern as will be clear. I am very happy with my Tern and feel it was honestly represented by reviews...

When performance did not match expectations, a number of us were told to explore other model options based largely on misinformation.

Coukd have been an apples and oranges comparison. When we purchased our Charger NuVincis, they were advertised as full power to 28mph by Riese&Muller. Full stop. People had a lot of trouble with this. The Nuvinci hub was blamed. Recommendations were made to upgrade to Rohloff. Most of this was...

Posted specs are posted specs. Do you own a Riese and Müller? Why are you so anxious to defend their practices?

That’s not full power to 28mph. I will post the Riese and Müller advertising this weekend. I believe you on yor description of Trek.

I was told Gen4 starts dropping at 26.4mph; assume it‘s the same after the recent update, but to be sure, ask your dealer or Bosch. I believe the update only changes the %assist, so at 26.4mph you will be getting more torque, but it starts its decline (to zero at 27.96 mph) at this point as well.

Interesting that you mention Stromer. In 2017, Stromer was R&M’s biggest competitor in the US, no? My opinion is that the reason R&M advertised “full power to 28mph” when I purchased my 2017 Charger NuVinci (now Envolio) is because they were trying to kill off Stromer. The NuVinci (Envolio) hub...

Appreciate the feedback. The numbers I’m citing are not speculation. This is the response from Bosch (or so I’m told) to direct questions about engine performance. MY17-MY18 Charger Envolios were advertised as full power to 28mph. According to Bosch, it was full power to 24.86mph (40kph) and...

“I like being lied to..” Sure, many people like E-biking. Doesn’t mean you need to patronize the companies that are dishonest.

Not taking a position on who knew what when. There is such a thing as being willfully ignorant. I will say I’m quite disappointed. i will be posting the R&M marketing in the R&M subforum to flesh out the details on this. What is particularly cringeworthy for me is looking back on emails I...

I think it’s very generous to say that R&M is “off in its calibration.” And it’s not a mistake. when I first purchased an R&M, the company advertised “Full power to 28mph.” Exact words here. As far back as 2018, I spoke to my dealer frequently on this issue. He generally avoided a direct...

Definitely has taken the bloom off the rose. If you think that’s bad, consider that the Nevo went from 2nd battery on the frame to rack form factor. My dealer acted like that was no big deal — I should just spend the money to replace two frame batteries with rack batteries — another $2k in...

The top tube on the Mixte slopes down, leaving insufficient room on the down tube for the frame PowerPack, which is why you got the rack PowerPack. The Charger3 will have it on the down tube.

R&M insists that you configure the dual battery option at time of purchase. I doubt this policy has changed. You will get the hardware to mount a PowerPack 500 on the downtube, as you noted, plus the PowerPack 500, to give you a total of 1125W. I believe the default configuration is a 500W...

You are not describing which model you are considering, so I’ll just make general comments. i own a Nevo Rohloff and a Tern Vektron. The former cost considerably more than the latter. If satisfaction, and riding pleasure scaled with price, I would never use the Vektron. Yet, I find myself at...

The one and only time I visited Bill’s Place, I was greeted with a sign that said “If we’d known there’d be such a big fuss, we’d have picked the damn cotton ourselves.” I can wait to eat.

Surprised. Your bike is supposed to have AZX-221 ACROS Blocklock installed, mine is AZX-220 with the adjustable 3mm hex. Yours may be so off-center that the recess is hard to see?