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    Creo Light Splitter Upgrade for Front Light

    Obviously this is a front light Stvzo type for road use.
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    Specialized Creo (all models) - Longest Rides/Biggest Climbs

    Her Vado with all her "stuff" has about 4kg/9lbs more than my naked Creo. But her husband has about 50kg/110lbs more than her... ;-) I think our big range difference even with my weight is one half our 25km/h limit. So if it's flat I need maybe 0,5% per mile or less. But the other half of our...
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    Creo Light Splitter Upgrade for Front Light

    Yes, when sold and when used (lights have to be mounted always, not powered on at day time). At least in Germany, due to the European Union I guess also in other european countries, but maybe not everywhere. Racing bikes can be sold and also used during daytime without lights. When it gets dark...
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    Specialized Creo (all models) - Longest Rides/Biggest Climbs

    I did not have any new data here for long Creo rides. But a maybe interesting experience to the Vado SL and less trained riders. We bought the Vado SL for my wife after several years with a quite old (and heavy...) Flyer with a 26V Panasonic drive. Due to my Creo experiences I believed the range...
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    Creo Light Splitter Upgrade for Front Light

    Seem we both already knew the difference between lux and lumens... ;-) On the road lux are not the only thing but more important than lumens, a round 1500 lumens light is wasting on the road maybe 1000 lumens to the sky and to the sides apart from blinding others. Also 65 lux/the standard Vado...
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    Creo Light Splitter Upgrade for Front Light

    I don't see the point for the price neither for lumens. I already wrote that the price on the producers website is list price and that its sold for a little bit more than half of it, about $80. And lumen and lux is not the same, 1500 lumen is not 10 times 150 lux. And both values have their...
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    Creo Light Splitter Upgrade for Front Light

    The producer has a good and quite objective photo comparison of the different lux power below on the page. The Vado 4.0 has a 65 lux light, the 5.0 a 115 lux light. But we did never use the standard 65 lux lezyne light, we changed it immediately as we wanted the light at the fork, not at the...
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    Creo Light Splitter Upgrade for Front Light

    We installed the new Buscher&Müller IQ-X E on my wife's Vado SL ST 4.0: https://www.bumm.de/de/produkte/e-bike-scheinwerfer/parent/164/produkt/164r60ts7-01.html? The light is impressive and watts fit perfectly for the Sl drive with 7.5W. The standard price is quite pricy, but it's sold here in...
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    Need opinions from Creo and Vado SL riders

    15-35 miles you can do with almost ANY bike, with much worse bikes then these two. Where drop bar starts to count is 2-3 times the milage, frequent tours above 100 miles... Even if I have a creo and like it's drop bar, most of the riders in the world ride flat bars, also for long tours, even...
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    Vado SL tuning?

    Apart from the legal problem (this depends very much form your country) the SL delimiters seem also quite expensive. And I heard from other drives (not from SL yet, but that am be just to the small number), that they sometimes change the drive characteristics a lot. So yes, you have motor...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    Sorry, I overlooked "Stepthrough" vs. "Stop-Over", this is an important feature! My wife already has a Stepthrough and I did not see any important changes/improvements to last year's Vado SL. The price difference between 4.0. and 5.0 is ok (even fair for Specialized compared to the price...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    The "dream" is just the colour? For ME this would a minor aspect. If it's for example Futurshock, you can gain a similiar effect and much cheaper&lighter with a Redshift Shockstop. About which ist best, the 45km/h speed pedelec or the 25km/h SL and as we two are in the same slow european 25km/h...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado/Como/Tero/Tero X User Club

    You should try all types yourself. So "normal/heavy" drives/ebikes against SL and as well Vado SL against Creo. How different are Vado SL and Creo/ist the geometry similar? I'm not sure about the prices in other countries/continents. Here in Germany the Vado prices are ok for me and for...
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    Creo setting to negate bike weight?

    In our heads yes, then you definitley feel the support. If you put in in a bike calculator, 15-25% of the SL power equals 50-15kg (depending if it's flat or 10% uphill). Even at 20% it still equals about 10kg more. At 30% it's about 5kg, so the extra weight of the SL drive. With 15-25% I was...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    Hub motors generally make less noise, without gear/gearbox they even don't need to make any sound with good controller/electronics. Stromer bikes for example have a rear hub motor with about 3 times the power (and the battery) of the SL drive and year hear absolutely nothing. Great to pass...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    For me this motor sound is also very rare and it disturbs me more than the others Also the producer of the video himself says, that he rembered the some motor sound different and more or less intense. So instead of a objective test the video show more how subjective and individual this matter...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    We dont need to continue that discussion Stefan, it's to subjetive. Also there are always units that are less or more noisy (like the Shimano motors from the two friends I guess). I can live quite well with my Creo's sound (my wife even more wither her Vado). But of course if I pass nice&younger...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    No, the SL is one of the noisest middle motors (also different Bosch, Yamaha, Fazua) I've ever riden. But I don't know Shimano and Brose yet. And I had sometime company from friends with a very noisy shimano motors, but I don't know which ones. And even if I find the motor relatively loud while...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    I see or hear people quite often talking about 20 or more percent and this is mostly nonsense in Germany. If this gradients exist, they are 20m long and it's a dead end where only the forester lives... But if we talk about England/Wales/Cornwall, I believe you everything! I was cycling there for...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    I would be less afraid with the alloy Creo, but the carbon versions are allowed for a rack as well. I asked my LBS for the Specialized adapter on the seat post clamp to fix a rack there. To be safe he asked Specialized and they gave green light. But I would keep in mind the maximium weight limit...
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