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OK, don't want to do a holy war here, let's assume I agree. Except one fact - those are Brose Motors, not Specialized.

Hm, I doubt it. At least in motor space, I don't see why Bosch motors worse. What are the criteria? Power? Noise? Torque? Weight? Software wise it is also debatable, but I probably would agree, that Specialized bikes are more open for integrations than Bosch ecosystem.

Agree! Good luck to both of us to get some reasonable mileage from our hubs. This is why my interest for 3x3 - if (when?) 2nd Kindernay fails I will need something to replace it and 3x3 option looks promising. I actually like Kindernay VII - it is super nice when it works, but it doesn't last...

Totally agree about everything you said, I think your 2nd post answers the question in yours 1st one ;) One question to you - did you ever try riding the top-level mid-drive ebike with torque sensor, like Specialized or Gazelle or even R&M (which is actually cost $10k or more)? There is a...

Thanks for sharing! I am also early adopter of Kindernay VII and my first one failed after about 8 month (and ~1800 miles on it), but they did replace it for me (was lucky to get the replacement before they got into troubles and stop selling stuff) and replacement is currently in use for 16...

Why not? People are spending $120k for sedan, while there are perfectly fine alternative for $60k - why won't they do this for ebike. First of all $10k is much more realistic money to get and spend, than $120k, and 2nd - lots of such buyers don't have car (myself including) and I don't have...

It is mechanical on the photo. Electronic theoretically possible, but I didn't find any place where it being sold.

That's great! Can you share more? Did you get this with bike? Or bought and retrofitted yourself? Where did you buy it from and how much it cost? With Kindernay our of business, this is probably next great 3rd-party hub out there, so I am really interested to learn more from real user!

Just get new bell either online or visit your local bike shop. There is nothing special about the bells Gazelle use, any will work.

Cal you clarify please what "ring" are you talking about? Gazelle ebikes come with bell preinstalled. Or you are talking about horn?

Did couple of times, pretty easy actually - there are two lines, with one connector on the shifter and two on the hub adapter. With two syringes process literally takes 10-15 minutes for both lines.

Crossing this bridge twice a day during my commute rides for about 3 years already, but first time looking at it from this angle...

Don't forget to share your experience once you get it! What ebike/ebikes you have/had before?

They don't - both are top-quality e-bike motors. Choosing one is a matter of preference (I don't think there are ebike brands offering models with both from Bosch and Brose) and availability.

With all the respect to Gazelle, I doubt it is first in US - R&M announce and made their 2024 models earlier this year, and they have i.e. Riese & Muller Nevo4 GT Vario HS bike, which is Class 3, Smart System, Performance Line Speed and Step-Through frame design. I think you don't need to be...

Yes, smaller extra gives you 1000Wh in total - same is my dual battery setup now. However I was hoping for 1250Wh or even 1500Wh options - R&M didn't release updates for their dual-battery models with Smart System yet, so may be we will see them later this year or next year? Overall Smart System...

Propel have new Smart System poweres R&M bikes for few month already, so this one is definitely not first. May be them mean first Gazelle in US? Then this is true.

What is the purpose of the app if map is off? Dasboard with speed/distance/cadence/power? Do you really need app always running and connected to ride? Asking as Bosch-powered ebike user with no idea how Specialized approaches its phone connected functions.

Plus models were always Class 3. Just new iteration on current Bosch platform with unreasonable price increase.