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Thanks CH... Regarding chargebacks... if you "read between the lines" in the 2.0 lawsuit... chargebacks have been occurring since the very beginning of the campaign. One could only guess... that they are from funders who regretted their "impulsive buy" or did some investigating and logic took...

CH, Have you started the chargeback process, and if so will you lose your wee bit of insider knowledge, such as it is?? Thanks for your Spock like input.. M

I think it's closer to 224 bikes per standard 40 ft container, But thats up to UPS, DHL or whoever gets the contract to ship.

Funny, but maybe it's just me... But, from the last update pics., I still have only seen 2 bikes and I'm not sure they are in a factory? At least they're are practicing their packaging techniques... Also, can anybody guess, what could be in the smaller rectangular cardboard boxes on each side of...

George, If one postive thing comes out of this CF... It should be some kind of consumer protection... at the very least a clear disclaimer... before you hit that"complete transaction" link.. "You are not buying anything..." or something to that effect... If,Big IF, in the early days...

George, You think he did it for his 15 minutes of fame? I'm with wa5... it's the ole classic long con... In fact I think he is in China... probably in the basement of his hotel... modifying the 2 bikes he has and riding around some construction site... Why hire actors.. the Chinese love...

I think CH's last post is pretty spot-on. Sondors is stalling, big time.. I found this article about Chinese eBike Manufacturing, it show's a production line of Leighten bikes seems like a nice factory... If Sondors would post something like that maybe we could start to believe. (Link...

Still, only 2 bikes pictured... and One is probably the demo bike with new wheels etc...

J.R., Good catch, in this article update http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2015/04/66979-sondors-ebike-crowdfunding-partner-i-feel-like-i-was-had/ We finally get to hear from Jon Hopp... I'm sure he's got more to say... maybe in court... But if a few bikes are shipped May 1st... it will be...

A new bike with the old yellow triangle box... okay... Who is Bruce Choate, is he with the campaign?

wa5, I just watched Court's demo day vid again... There are 2 cable mounts on each side of the top bar, the left side has the rear brake cable going through them.. So the right side ones appear to not be needed. I can't really figure out how the plastic triangle box is mounted from the...

wa5, What pic are you referring to? The prototype/demo bike had some kind of battery box mounts that do touch the top of the box... Also those yellow rims on the black bike look painted, the orange rims anodized... The 2 bikes in this pic look staged not part of a production line...

According to Manta, Pacific Storm Inc., is a privately held company in Coos Bay, OR established in 2001 and coincidentally they sell eBike kits... what are the odds... But they are inc. in OR so maybe Ivars will be allowed to inc. in CA??

Ah, the Pacific Storm, that's a great bowling ball... So Ivars incorporated... so what... there won't be any money left to go after... And he wasn't inc. before he signed with 2.0. My guess is "they" will build as many bikes as they can until the money runs out... and ship what they build to the...

Court, What do think of the IGG RadRover campaign? They seem to have a great product and are running an honest campaign... so far? Thanks Mike https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/radrover-electric-fat-bike#home

Just for fun I totaled paid shipping perks (that's a stretch) and came up with 4518 bikes... So maybe? the campaign is only building bikes to be shipped in the first run that are paid in full??? Or could they be waiting until all bikes are paid in full to start production, who knows ???

5000 gifts... might raise some suspicion.. And will the gift be labeled hazardous material inside??

I always wondered why they mentioned warehouses on both coasts... it's seemed obvious they would have to "direct ship" from the factory. Aren't you doing the same thing with Alibaba? My question is how and when are they (each country's customs dept.) going to collect their fees whatever they...

As of 10 minutes ago... $331259..... I don't understand why the funders are in such a hurry to pay shipping for a product that that doesn't even exist yet?? Are they under the impression that the quicker they pay... the quicker they'll get their bikes... that is "dimwitted" ...

Maybe Sugarp can fill in some more blanks?? It would be interesting to know the timing and reason for "Ivars" name change... Was it purely for marketing purposes for this CF??