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Is it? I only had mine a little over a year but the motor was great.

Go with the Vado. MUCH quieter, the Brose motor uses an internal belt instead of a gear that isolates much of the noise.

For those did an upgrade, what did you do with your old units? Anyone want to sell a Kiox or Intuvia for cheap?

If they had a belt drive IGH Vado 4 I would probably be riding that now. Especially it looks like they fixed the battery mounting issue that was my biggest annoyance with the 2020 Vado. The ride is much quieter and the stock computer was better. Overall they both great bikes and the...

Good advice. When the stock tires wear out in a year or two I will be back for more specific advice.

The "damage" comes from heat in the cells and not the actual state of charge. A good BMS will taper down the current as it nears full. But do we trust all of them? Also how the gauge is calibrated. It's to the marketing advantage to push the limits as much as possible to make the batteries...

I didn't know that. I don't know which one might be better but for the comparison the motors were equivalent specs. The Brose motor has an internal belt and is much quieter. On the Vado it's also hidden inside the frame. On the Bosch it has nice cast heat fins on the bottom which seem to be...

Maybe the dealers have better support? My only issue the battery on my Vado 4 stopped charging. It was annoying I had to bring it to my dealer and didn't have the bike for a week or so until the new battery arrived. But the dealer handled it all and called me back the day I dropped it off...

I saw that it was different but I didn't look too close at the Vado 4. They Vado 4 doesn't have an IGH/belt option like the 3 and the 5 do. I might have got another Vado 4 if they did. Glad they can quickly fix mistakes.

TLDR: Both great bikes with similar specifications The IGH and belt of the Gazelle are long term benefits not immediately appreciated for comparison The ride is more "natural" feeling on the Vado, the Gazelle feels "pushy" Gazelle is prettier Tires more gravel on the Vado, more street on the...

Thanks. I am looking into it. The Intuvia seems to have similar capabilities to the Specialized computer. I really just want a decimal point on the trip miles and a timer with average speed.

So I accidentally fixed the big creak by adjusting the saddle. I am still tweaking things and one of the adjusters was a bit loose when I was adjusting. Today no creak! I will look into the battery issue. I don't have it yet but the mitigations are simple enough.

Perfect! Looks simple enough. It feels like the major creaks are lower but it's hard to tell and the frame can transmit the sound and vibrations easily. Also I found one of the rattles when I went out for lunch today. That was on me, the DVR is located between the rack and fender and secured...

I got a 380+ last week and it has developed a creaking sound when pedaling. I have just under 100 miles now, I started noticing it a few days ago maybe around the 50 mile mark. I see this is common on various bikes for various reasons and I had a similar problem on an old Trek but not as loud...

the whole bike. if you can't do it yourself with Mission Control.

I thought the TCU firmware could be done from the app (but not the motor or battery)? Pretty sure I did it on my Vado 4 (not SL).

Yes exactly my thought explained in more detail. Especially on the Gazelle I hear a few clicks when I stop pedaling.

People are suggesting mid drive and I usually do too but if you have the same hills in your commute I wonder if it is worth a hub motor to get some regen power back going down the hill? Maybe even retrofit your favorite commute bike style with a front wheel kit?

I wasn't sure where to post this since it is about 2 bikes but figured here is where it might help the most people. I wrote this on my blog at http://volcano.newts.org/2022/07/18/specialized-vado-4-vs-gazelle-ultimate-380/ where I will be updating with pics and new observations as they come...

I just starting using the Park chain cleaner tool (with some ancient Pedro's citrus cleaner I had). It works great. I re lubed with Rock Star red (dry) lube. It is less convenient with an e bike to use the stand but not that bad. I am not sure why they have the free-crank on some e bikes...