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That's not what I was saying. I only claimed they were using customer money, instead of their own capital, to order their bikes from China, as a matter of policy, and that may indicate a cash flow issue. I made no judgements good or bad -- just observations Most of my posts were attempts to...

But we are not talking about a company that is just starting up; and like I said I had no issues getting my brand-new model 2013 bike in 2013. In any case none of the JB defenders here have suitably addressed my observations. I will pick on you here because you are an "insider" by giving you an...

Its the simple things. I think they could present a better face if they use the term "out of stock," and offer the shopper an opportunity to order before the next batch arrives. They can take a cc number but not charge the card until a reasonable lead time arrives, e.g., a week before shipping...

Because its $500-$700 less than the alternative and I don't mind waiting for that. But that is not as confusing as "pre-ordering" a bike that was released a year ago Judging by your story (and some others) you are implying that sometimes you can order a bike and it will already be at the...

What new product? Click here for a view of JB website from 9/10/2017. On that page it states: Update Aug 22nd, 2017: The CrossCurrent S shipment has arrived! Please be patient as we work through the pre-orders. The "S" is our fastest selling product ever. This shipment is sold out. Place a...

You are proving my point. In the RM case the multi-month delay is shipping time, since you can have it in a month using air freight. And as far as I can determine, you can only purchase from a brick and mortar dealer. Any "pre-ordering" that needs to be done is because the dealer does not keep...

So far my theory is not coinciding with reality. I ordered my bike on Sat and they have not charged my card yet.

Of course they are always sold out -- that's the point. They order only enough bikes for the people who paid in advance (the so-called "pre-order"). My OP gets to the question: since the "pre-order" status appears to be perpetual, why don't they order more and avoid the next "pre-order?" Is it...

So you are saying its ok to ride any 2-wheeled vehicle on a bike path as long as you are riding under the restricted speed? As you know there is a specific legal definition of a bicycle; should we ignore that also? Your logic presents a slippery slope

You should consult an attorney, but my guess is yes. And I would cover the sticker with another one. In my research I cannot find any restrictions on who can set the speed limitation. The classification seems to be whatever the current configuration is, whether configuration was done by...

Offering the RCC with no waiting has its value. I am sure you will be able to offload it quickly at or near the price you paid (keep it looking new ;)). If you were in a different LA, I might make an offer.

I decided on the CCS and ordered the medium step-thru last night. Deciding factors were: easy to hop on and off bike, esp in tight places, compared to my prodeco I am sure it will be faster for longer range, relatively light and easier to hoist onto a rack. Runners up were from FLX, Biktrix and...

I saw it in a store 2 years ago Of course. I said as much Not a shift. I also suggested they turn a problem into a feature - - doesn't matter what the "problem" is in reality. You are cherry picking my statements to make your argument seem better than it is. Not going to waste my time...

I never said anything was nefarious. Asher also put words in my mouth saying I accused them of incompetence. The "contributors" you speak of are providing no more evidence than I am, only thoughts in posts, and nothing I said contradicts your summary of their conclusions. All I have done is...

I like it! Turn a bad thing into a feature. They should come up with a euphemism for "pre-order."

HUH??? I can buy a FLX right now withour pre-ordering. Bikes are in stock and ship in 7 days.

If you posted this 3 months ago I would agree! (for some models). This isn't JB's first hay ride. They are not running out of inventory, they are not keeping any. If the problem was demand at the Chinese factories all companies would be in the same boat. It takes 2-3 months to get a Tesla...

After reading many posts regarding "pre-orders" it seems most people here are too easily giving JB the benefit of the doubt. The general consensus is: What else can be expected -- they are making a bike with lots of good features at a very low price, and making improvements; hence, they cannot...

Well, I have just noticed in the fine print that the wide format battery is not compatible with the CCS step-thru model. Thus there is no battery upgrade path. RCS is back on the top of the list, for now! @Ravi Kempaiah There are a couple Haibike dealers near me and checked out the 2017 models...

Thanks for the input. I went to order a CCS with 12.8A battery believing it would be shipping this month per web site, but once in cart the date showed mid June. I guess that means its not the wide batteries causing the delays. @Asher I'm almost 5-7 with a 28/29" inseam. My 2013 Prodeco has a...