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Regardless of the energy type used, you are still driving a tonnage weight personal private motor vehicle that we are allowed to drive practically door to door at our own convenience, steering it through completely exposed pedestrians while ripping through the worlds energy supplies.

This will be seen as utter insanity by future generations in the same way we look at ancient civilisations sacrificing people to gods.

Over that is laid vanity, elitism, envy, snobbery, rebellion and judgment.

When I point out the plans of the elite I get called a conspiracy theorist, but Im simply joining the dots for how its obviously a sensible route through contained chaos.

Yes we should be controlled, just like parents minding toddlers.

Its for the best isnt it.
 
Chargeride said:
When I point out the plans of the elite I get called a conspiracy theorist, but I'm simply joining the dots for how its obviously a sensible route through contained chaos.
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The courts are full of conspiracy cases, but the average tv head thinks they are only a fringe thing. Like the "we didn't land on the moon conspiracy." That isn't a conspiracy, that's just a bunch of nutters who fed on too much youtube gibberish, egged along by movies like Capricorn One. These men of power conspire all the time and you only have to look at the current President's inauguration to see it. All the heads of tech were lined up in a row to congratulate him, even Zuckerberg, who in the months prior reinvented himself as a "Truth-seeker" and purged the twitter types out of Meta. They knew they were about to get enriched by him, the deals were no doubt made in advance of the election.

Then a year ago...
Trump signed an Executive Order to facilitate the rapid and efficient buildout of data center infrastructure.
The Order directs the Secretary of Commerce to launch an initiative to provide financial support, such as loans, grants, and tax incentives, for Qualifying Projects. These Qualifying Projects include data centers that require greater than 100 megawatts of new load, infrastructure projects related to data center energy needs, semiconductor facilities, networking equipment, or other data center or related... The Order revokes a Biden-era Executive Order that would have saddled AI data center development on Federal lands with pages of DEI and climate requirements.
That's from the White House, whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/07/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-accelerates-federal-permitting-of-data-center-infrastructure/
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That's a conspiracy, men of wealth and power getting together in a sort of cartel for greater profits. As for the car, well you're absolutely right, they never should have been invented in the first place but they did give freedom to the average person and allowed for us to subsidize business by paying for all the roads lol.
 
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LandoftheGiants said:
Yes, but the US isn't exactly the manufacturing hub it once was and coal for electricity is only one of it's uses. Over half the steel in the world is made in China, it exports to the US and Britain now England has shut down much of it's traditional steel works, and their concrete works too I believe.

To make clinker, the basis for cement, you need very high temperatures and coal is the preferred method used.

Doesn't sound like much of a solution to carbon emissions to me?

The UK is shifting to electric arc furnaces for steel production but they are only good for recycled steel, which is not any good for the serious structural steel used in construction. Too many contaminants, like copper! If you're making steel from iron ore you need coal to extract the oxygen (iron-oxide) Why mention Steel and Cement? Because it's the cornerstone of all construction, especially in wind power. It's the two indispensables.

Global coal consumption has continued to rise over the past decade and last year alone the number of new coal-fired power plants built around the world hit a “10-year high”. Mostly in India and China. Get off Coal? Only if we go back to the dark ages. There has been a lot of chatter in the media for well over a decade about "De-carbonization" but it's just that, chatter. Behind the scenes the world is continuing as it did in the 20th century burning endless coil, oil and natural gas. Scotland? It has a population of 5.5 million, the same as Norway roughly. What they do there is statistically irrelevant as far as the rest of the world is concerned. Jakarta, the Indonesian capital has 42 million residents. Over seven times the population in a single city. They use Coal to generate power and probably always will.
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Chargeride said:
Regardless of the energy type used, you are still driving a tonnage weight personal private motor vehicle that we are allowed to drive practically door to door at our own convenience, steering it through completely exposed pedestrians while ripping through the worlds energy supplies.

This will be seen as utter insanity by future generations in the same way we look at ancient civilisations sacrificing people to gods.

Over that is laid vanity, elitism, envy, snobbery, rebellion and judgment.

When I point out the plans of the elite I get called a conspiracy theorist, but Im simply joining the dots for how its obviously a sensible route through contained chaos.

Yes we should be controlled, just like parents minding toddlers.

Its for the best isnt it.
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the grand plan is population reduction,the humans in easily controlled population center connected by "corridors" while the rich can hide in gated communities,ridge top mansions and burrows( public land? my ass! just look at the deterioration of US Forest service parks for example they greedily acquire all the old homesteads and private land (which generally falls into disrepair) while camping sites are being closed and restricted. For whatever reason the forest service was given a large nice farm for right of way disputes( now its a state park for heavens sake) down the road the swinging bridge was condemned on the "bullpasture river gorge" closed to camping now while up the stream a couple of miles a new one was constructed at "Hayfields"-in 10 years you wont even be able to tell it was a nice pasture land,waste and greed are the mantra now,while the "little man" is stuck in tiny lots with restrictions on paint colors and how high the grass can grow-its a freakin mess a far cry from the prosperity of the post WW2 boom years,if we get stuck in another world war we are going to be hard pressed to meet the challenge( I believe a "warm" war has already started)
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indianajo said:
Those things maybe, but I carry a 24' stepladder or 10' conduit or pipe sometimes, which is not possible with a 6 1/2' bed. As shown in the pictures. Roof racks, besides damaging the gas mileage, cost triple to cross the toll bridges to the suppliers & entertainment in the next state. F150, $2.64 toll, truck with roof rack, $10.53. Ford Lightning I am sure was not available with an 8' bed. I asked to buy one. Rivian, I never heard of it before I was forced by heart ablation surgery to buy a motor vehicle 6/25. Said surgery cut my heart output from 250 w (measured) to 60 w. Pulse limited to 60 bpm. I still have never seen a live Rivian nor an advertisement for Rivian. My Ford F150 has 8000 miles in the first year.
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I carry long cargo in my pickup using one of these extenders, which fits in a receiver hitch:
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Chargeride said:
Regardless of the energy type used, you are still driving a tonnage weight personal private motor vehicle that we are allowed to drive practically door to door at our own convenience, steering it through completely exposed pedestrians while ripping through the worlds energy supplies.
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Enjoy it while you can.
 
Chargeride said:
Regardless of the energy type used, you are still driving a tonnage weight personal private motor vehicle that we are allowed to drive practically door to door at our own convenience, steering it through completely exposed pedestrians while ripping through the worlds energy supplies.

This will be seen as utter insanity by future generations in the same way we look at ancient civilisations sacrificing people to gods.

Over that is laid vanity, elitism, envy, snobbery, rebellion and judgment.

When I point out the plans of the elite I get called a conspiracy theorist, but Im simply joining the dots for how its obviously a sensible route through contained chaos.

Yes we should be controlled, just like parents minding toddlers.

Its for the best isnt it.
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Brilliant.
 
jabberwocky said:
The environmental movements historical hostility to nuclear power is probably one of the most spectacular own-goals in human history.
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That was the exact headline text in all the Chernobyl newspapers in April of 86.
When are we going to learn to stop shitting where we live?
Forget about global warming... Most all we do is pollution, poison and short sited.
 
Gionnirocket said:
That was the exact headline text in all the Chernobyl newspapers in April of 86.
When are we going to learn to stop shitting where we live?
Forget about global warming... Most all we do is pollution, poison and short sited.
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I mean, Chernobyl was a bad design subjected to a very poorly planned test (typical for soviet engineering of that era). Even the 70s era US reactors wouldn't fail in that way. The 3 Mile Island partial meltdown is main one for the US and even that had a pretty limited radiation release and the rest of the plant continued producing power up until 5-10 years ago.

The reason its an own goal is that nuclear power was successfully stymied for generations, which just resulted in lots of coal plants being built instead. Which are both much, much worse for the environment, and release a lot more radiation into the environment than any nuclear plant ever has (coal has trace amounts of uranium and thorium in it which is released into the air as its burned).
 
jabberwocky said:
I mean, Chernobyl was a bad design subjected to a very poorly planned test (typical for soviet engineering of that era). Even the 70s era US reactors wouldn't fail in that way. The 3 Mile Island partial meltdown is main one for the US and even that had a pretty limited radiation release and the rest of the plant continued producing power up until 5-10 years ago.

The reason its an own goal is that nuclear power was successfully stymied for generations, which just resulted in lots of coal plants being built instead. Which are both much, much worse for the environment, and release a lot more radiation into the environment than any nuclear plant ever has (coal has trace amounts of uranium and thorium in it which is released into the air as its burned).
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fusion is still 20 years away,until we can control gravity fusion will probably always be a pipe dream.
 
Small modular nuclear reactors are 5-10 years away. They are already planning and funding these projects. I am not a fan of AI data centers initiative/bubble, but they are being built and solar isn't going to power them. Data centers need high density uninterrupted power.
 
jabberwocky said:
I mean, Chernobyl was a bad design subjected to a very poorly planned test (typical for soviet engineering of that era). Even the 70s era US reactors wouldn't fail in that way. The 3 Mile Island partial meltdown is main one for the US and even that had a pretty limited radiation release and the rest of the plant continued producing power up until 5-10 years ago.
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Actually, Three Mile Island is seeking FERC restart approval to power a Microsoft facility:

 
6zfshdb said:
Actually, Three Mile Island is seeking FERC restart approval to power a Microsoft facility:

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Thats been bouncing around for a while now I think. The main issue is that the remaining reactor is a really old design and not particularly profitable to operate. I suppose data centers don't really care how expensive their power is.

Chargeride said:
Just scrape this glowy dusty stuff off the control panel, squash that three headed spider and replace the overload fuse with a rusty bolt
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Hah, the partial meltdown happened in the 70s and the cleanup was largely complete by the 90s. I don't think theres a whole lot left, just the mostly-empty containment building.
 
Diablo Nuclear Power Plant generates 10% of California's power. It was scheduled to be shut down last year. That didn't happen for obvious reasons.
 
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