NYC wants to license and register ebikes and scooters

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This is sponsored by a councilman in response to the pedestrian death in Chinatown last year. It is not supported by DOT or lobbying groups like People for Bikes. The latter seems obvious. I do think other jurisdictions would rapidly follow for the revenue. Insurance will follow. I do think these measures would blunt adoption of micromobility.

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NYC proposing licensing and registration for e-bikes, e-scooters

NEW YORK (BRAIN) — The City Council discussed on Wednesday a proposed law requiring all e-bikes and e-scooters to be licensed and registered with the Department of Transportation to crack down on dangerous riding in the city that led to a pedestrian's death last year.
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Freedom can be difficult to hold up high, especially when the victim is a loved one, but if we legislate every risk, then the end game is banning being born.
 
If everyone rode and drove safely we wouldn’t have s*it like this, but assholes and idiots are everywhere, so……

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NY City would benefit from more ebike and scooter regulation, and I hate most forms of regulation, and all over-regulation. The problem in NYC is that there are too many scofflaws riding around the city (mostly couriers and delivery ebikes) that have no regard for pedestrians, vehicular traffic, and rules of the road. They are bringing it upon themselves. I had no fear of NYC car drivers, and the occaisional tourist on a Citi-Bike, but I definitely worried for mine and my wife's safety due to reckless delivery drivers on ebikes.
 
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NYC should require license plate and insurance for delivery riders. They are the problem. It is fairly obvious that prepared food deliveries come in a insulated pack. Individual riders not carrying large quantities of prepared food or merchandise should be exempt. Grocery shoppers (like me) with refrigerated frozen or packaged food should be exempt. License plate could provide indentification of riders that caused injury or accidents. Delivery without license plate should cause bicycle impound.
 
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I love the Freedom my eBike gives me but hate to say there are just as many problem Bike & eBike Riders as there are problem Car, Truck and Automobile Drivers. Only difference is Bikes and eBikes so far dont display a Licence Plate but I wont be surprised if that requiremen plus Insurance will be introduced soon.
 
In the Netherlands there used to be a license plate and road-tax for bicycles.... Prior to WWII. For a Cargo bike or vending bike there was a tariff cut as it a was a commercial vehicle for farmers, bakers etc.

And if you needed a bike for your work duties but could not pay for the road-tax, they could give you one at a special rate. They did cut a part of the plate of so that every body could see you got it at a special rate

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Special rate tax plate, one with a hole in it, so this one was free for a person who was on a social unemployment benefit.

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since those are regional, also the Belgium's had those tax plates, example for Antwerpen

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In the Netherlands there used to be a locense plate and road-tax for bicycles.... Prior to WWII. For a Cargo bike or vending bike theire was a tarif cut as it a was a commercial vehicule for farmers, bakers etc.

And if you needed a bike for your work duties but could not pay for the road-tax, they could give you one at a special rate. They did cut a part of the plate of so that every body could see you got it at a special rate

Roadtax plate:

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Special rate tax plate, one with a hole in it, so this one was free for a person who was on a social unemployment benefit.

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since those are regional, also the Belgium's had those tax plates, example for Antwerpen

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So interesting, thank you! Special rate = freeloaders, lol.
 
If one jurisdiction requires registration what happens to visitors bringing bikes from other places that don't require registration?
 
Chargeride said:
Freedom can be difficult to hold up high, especially when the victim is a loved one, but if we legislate every risk, then the end game is banning being born.
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"[no ones life.liberty or property is safe when the legislature is in session" ]we have a well meaning gun owning Democrat senator(local) who has sponsored two or three bills which are now law as far as I know no one obeys at least two of them,the books are choked beyond"respiration" now with meaningless,banal,stupid laws the average citizen cannot be out half a day without breaking some ridiculous law. Another problem these days are quasi legal organizations such as HOAs and sororities by laws which usually crumble when challenged legally and of course the ever loving vigilantes, too many People minding other Peoples business.
 
I started studying law at college and I had to pack it in because I was getting so wound up.
Its just a complete mess, pulled apart by grift, greed, ideology, spite, revenge, snobbery and corruption.
All of the above could just be described as the failings of man, but the eons have corroded a path thought it called...
You cant afford it or just admit it and we'll be easy on you.
I would like to think AI could clear it out, but it will be handed over to the firm to keep the grift going.
 
Chargeride said:
I started studying law at college and I had to pack it in because I was getting so wound up.
Its just a complete mess, pulled apart by grift, greed, ideology, spite, revenge, snobbery and corruption.
All of the above could just be described as the failings of man, but the eons have corroded a path thought it called...
You cant afford it or just admit it and we'll be easy on you.
I would like to think AI could clear it out, but it will be handed over to the firm to keep the grift going.
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I do not hold many lawyers in high esteem,the "beastly mistress" has little compassion so many times prejudice ,grift ,special interest and non-justifiable reasoning clouds the law and awards,its a good thing that juries are required in most civil cases,many times the hideous monster called the state requires little "due process" and snaps up many turning them into felons with little justification,the cure? hold your nose and engage a lawyer of good reputation,do not listen to the investigator on this,when an investigator calls you in for an interview-advise you will not talk to the forker,your lawyer will,investigators have a way of tripping unsuspecting people,to make themselves look good. A good place to start with law would be the 10 commandments.
 
Jeremy McCreary said:
Same as with motor vehicles?
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No, that's the problem... I can drive my CT registered car in NY, but if I can't register my ebike in CT what happens when I bring it to NY? I can't register it in NY because I'm not a NY resident.

We ran into this when my wife was looking into a Vespa-style scooter. No registration required in CT but in NJ where she frequently visits it's considered a moped requiring registration. The workaround for that one is to register it in VT, where you don't have to be a resident. But she got a Zugo instead.
 
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No, that's the problem... I can drive my CT registered car in NY, but if I can't register my ebike in CT what happens when I bring it to NY? I can't register it in NY because I'm not a NY resident.

We ran into this when my wife was looking into a Vespa-style scooter. No registration required in CT but in NJ where she frequently visits it's considered a moped requiring registration. The workaround for that one is to register it in VT, where you don't have to be a resident. But she got a Zugo instead.
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True, a motor vehicle has to be registered in some state (A), and the state (B) you're visiting honors that till you do something that makes you a State B resident under State B law.

What if you got stopped for not displaying a State B registration but could demonstrate that you're a State A resident — say, with a driver's license or other ID?

I support registration, licensing, and insurance requirements for all electric two-wheelers falling outside the bounds of a legal ebike. That adds a sense of accountability that many teen Surron and Super73 riders around here clearly lack. (If you go by the videos they put on YouTube, many bring an outlaw mentality to their riding and dress accordingly.)

But there has to be a clear way to get the registration, licensing, and insuring done with reasonable effort. I've read on EBR that that's not always the case.
 
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the "Darwin" candidates lack something in their brain that only experience and attitude change bring( common sense and responsibility) the main trouble is they bring innocents down with them.
 
At least the "get off my roads, you don't pay for them" crowd will shut up, until they find their next hate-based argument against road bikes.
 
stompandgo said:
As much as I hate hate, hate stupid laws and regulation, if all bicycles were registered and paid a road use tax, the argument for our extinction would be dulled.
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Sorry friend,wouldn't make any difference,I used to have to stand in the stinkin road and flag traffic for 10 hrs a day,people were incensed if they had to wait 5 minutes( as an aside when I had a broken vertebra, that 9-10 hrs was torture.
 
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